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[tNCecil]

Now, i havent checked this thread in a while, but thats alright.

When did the marrage theory "take effect"? Ive been online with both my Stock and Upgraded HDDs before in the past (been on my upgraded since last october with XBL, stock was almost all before that. Old chip didnt have switch so i was stuck with my upgraded always on before that). Thats the one thing thats keeping me from agreeing 100% with this.

[Gumba]

QUOTE(tNCecil @ Feb 19 2005, 05:19 PM)

Now, i havent checked this thread in a while, but thats alright.

When did the marrage theory "take effect"? Ive been online with both my Stock and Upgraded HDDs before in the past (been on my upgraded since last october with XBL, stock was almost all before that. Old chip didnt have switch so i was stuck with my upgraded always on before that). Thats the one thing thats keeping me from agreeing 100% with this.

Marriages seem to have been made since July 2004 or so, the bans started circa November 9th 2004.

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(Gumba @ Feb 20 2005, 01:50 AM)

Marriages seem to have been made since July 2004 or so, the bans started circa November 9th 2004.

i think that needs to be put in liek the first line of the first post so everyone knows

[feet14]

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 22 2005, 08:04 AM)

i think that needs to be put in liek the first line of the first post so everyone knows

Post's can only be edited for 15 minutes after they are posted, as people abused this facility.

[adam9986]

Right...so after taking about 8 years out of my life to read this entire thread, I think I know what I need to do, but would like some confirmation.

History:
•Bought a 1.0 Box a long time ago
•Installed a Xectuer 2.3 chip also a long time ago along with a WD 40GB HD
•Everything worked fine until I stayed up till midnight on Nov. 9 and tried to sign on to find out I was BANNED!
•Bought a new XBox around christmas - 1.6b
•Installed Xectuer 3 chip shortly thereafter
•I have been playing on Live since then with no problems at all and with stock HD

Now, I am wanting to put in a bigger hard drive.  From what I've read it seems all I have to do is obtain a new EEPROM (which I can get from a friend who doesn't use XBL) and after I install the new HD, flash the new EEPROM.  The only thing, I read somewhere about GamerTags being "flagged".  Will this affect me at all? Thanks in advnace, you guys are all awesome.

[lordvader129]

QUOTE(feet14 @ Feb 22 2005, 05:42 AM)

Post's can only be edited for 15 minutes after they are posted, as people abused this facility.

that doesnt hold true for everyone    added the info to first post

[lordvader129]

QUOTE(adam9986 @ Feb 22 2005, 09:27 AM)

Right...so after taking about 8 years out of my life to read this entire thread, I think I know what I need to do, but would like some confirmation.

History:
•Bought a 1.0 Box a long time ago
•Installed a Xectuer 2.3 chip also a long time ago along with a WD 40GB HD
•Everything worked fine until I stayed up till midnight on Nov. 9 and tried to sign on to find out I was BANNED!
•Bought a new XBox around christmas - 1.6b
•Installed Xectuer 3 chip shortly thereafter
•I have been playing on Live since then with no problems at all and with stock HD

Now, I am wanting to put in a bigger hard drive.  From what I've read it seems all I have to do is obtain a new EEPROM (which I can get from a friend who doesn't use XBL) and after I install the new HD, flash the new EEPROM.  The only thing, I read somewhere about GamerTags being "flagged".  Will this affect me at all? Thanks in advnace, you guys are all awesome.

well if you were banned under a particualr GT then it has been flagged and result in a ban if you use any non-stock HD on Live

there are two ways around this...wait, all this is in the first post....go read that

[lordvader129]

i see some new theories being slung around about recent bannings

seems there are a few unexplained bannings with smartxx users (maybe MS is now sending spikes to the LPC to check things? dont want to contribute to paranoia, just get some discussion going)

anyway, as of this post my xbox and 250gb HD are not banned (v1.1, split TSOP)

i will be following the new data as best i can, any feedback would be appreciated

[HL_101]

Isn't it posible that they do some manual checks from some kind of logs, or during live play from time to time. Maybe randomly triggerd by something (e.g. bad live feedback).
If so they could easely see if the xbox has wrong type/size of the harddrive and so on....
This could explain why some guys gets banned for "no reason" while others with the same setup dosn't.

[LooGieLV]

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Feb 23 2005, 07:52 PM)

i see some new theories being slung around about recent bannings

seems there are a few unexplained bannings with smartxx users (maybe MS is now sending spikes to the LPC to check things? dont want to contribute to paranoia, just get some discussion going)

anyway, as of this post my xbox and 250gb HD are not banned (v1.1, split TSOP)

i will be following the new data as best i can, any feedback would be appreciated

is it possible that MS has a way of spiking the LPC now, or wouldn't that mean that they had to install something on the XBOX before? Or could it be an upgrade/patch to xbox live? I just don't see how they could simply change something on their end and have total access to parts of an XBOX that were not there during manufacturing...ie a modchip...

also, if we were working at MS and we really wanted to keep kids from getting on with modified boxes, what would we do? first (after reading the scene for weeks ) we'd scan the HD for known bad files, we'd detect modchips, and we'd detect upgraded HD's, so it's not like it's that far fetched...

is it possible that the marriage theory isn't actually marriage between the parts, but instead it's just that MS was scanning for Modchips, AND ALSO scanning HD's, and didn't actually start banning upgraded HDs till now, since, it's obviously not as important as not allowing a chipped xbox on (ie cheating/unknown quirks/exploits/able to use backup games, yatta yatta?)

just a few questions and thoughts...

[LooGieLV]

this may be a really stupid question, but has anyone ever tried to just install the original MS bios on a mod chip and log into live? maybe they only detect non MS bioses (along with the HD)? long shot, just trying to shed light on myself...

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(LooGieLV @ Feb 24 2005, 12:56 PM)

this may be a really stupid question, but has anyone ever tried to just install the original MS bios on a mod chip and log into live? maybe they only detect non MS bioses (along with the HD)? long shot, just trying to shed light on myself...

thats actually a very good idea. that will tell us if they are scannign for mod chips (well the sort that you were using anyway).

but as lordvader said, i think it would be safe to say they are keeping an eye on the forums here, and are just coming up with ways to detect modded boxes.

[Gumba]

QUOTE(LooGieLV @ Feb 24 2005, 12:56 PM)

this may be a really stupid question, but has anyone ever tried to just install the original MS bios on a mod chip and log into live? maybe they only detect non MS bioses (along with the HD)? long shot, just trying to shed light on myself...

You can use the MS bios on a modchip just fine. Lots of people do.

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(Gumba @ Feb 24 2005, 03:28 PM)

You can use the MS bios on a modchip just fine. Lots of people do.

 
but do they get banned? if not, then ms cant be checking for modchips. they are looking elsewhere

[LooGieLV]

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 24 2005, 05:36 AM)

but do they get banned? if not, then ms cant be checking for modchips. they are looking elsewhere

precisely... but if i had to bet money, I'd bet that they aren't sending power to the LPC, but instead, have implemented a system where they can detect if a mod chip is on, and are detecting serial numbers (or whatever) on the HD's to verify whether it's a factory direct, or aftermarket. If you send in your box to MS and get a replacement HD, I'm sure those serial numbers (or whatever) would be in that list of factory direct HD's.

And I have a friend who even connects to Xbox live with his chip on (he's sooo dumb) and it just errors out, and he remembers, and turns it off, and gets on, no problem...it's NOT a bios that has live blocking either...just dumb luck (real dumb)(oh, and he's got a stock drive)

My guess is that this Banning system is not fool proof (maybe simply checking bioses as I stated ealier) and MS is banning 'THE BAD STUFF' (eeproms and crap) but still allowing the person to connect (ie gamertags not banned) so that the system can scan again, JUST IN CASE the system made a mistake) or the person used had a new controller or something with a flaw or bug that the MS system didn't reconize...naamean?

Maybe they've been scanning HD's the whole time, and merely didn't ban people for upgrading their HD's since it didn't really pose a threat to online gameplay, or servers or anything, but decided technology is getting so advanced that pretty soon we'll have an undetectable modchip (thus playing backups and the like on live) cause severe security issues.

Then again, maybe nobody bothered to go through the log files of the aftermarket HD's and click "BAN THIS BITCH" or whatever   w0rd