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[LooGieLV]

This might help us...

1) has anyone who has a XBL blocking bios (therefore, has NEVER BEEN online with their modchip on) and ONLY has a STOCK HD ever been banned?

furthermore...

2) has anyone who has a XBL blocking bios (therefore, has NEVER BEEN online with their modchip on) and ONLY has an aftermarket HD ever been banned?

I'm sure some people will say they don't have the XBL blocking bios, but can PROMISE ON GOD that they've never accessed a Live feature before, but were still banned. But the only way we can be sure is if someone has ONLY had a XBL blocking bios (not upgraded to, but only had this bios) then we would know...

i guess if they locked their network cable in a safety deposit box when they weren't on Live, so little brothers and sisters never accessed live, then maybe that would stand to reason too, but barely.

The answer is probably nobody on 1) and some on 2), then we know what's really going on...

please respond if either one is you! it's important.

[lordvader129]

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 23 2005, 10:36 PM)

but do they get banned? if not, then ms cant be checking for modchips. they are looking elsewhere

in the past, no, so this will be a definate answer to LPC scanning, someone using a retail bios on a modchip with an otherwise virgin xbox and stock HD

anyone want to try this out ^^^ the virgin part (never been on Live, no eeprom mods, homebrew code, etc) and stock HD are very important (therefore we can rule out a previous ban that hasnt kicked in or banned under previously known methods)

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but decided technology is getting so advanced that pretty soon we'll have an undetectable modchip (thus playing backups and the like on live) cause severe security issues.

thats unlikely, MS's original system of just scanning the bios on memory was pretty foolproof for weeding out the modded boxes, a chip would have no effect on this and seriously doubt we could ever make a bios to pass their verifications, so this isnt a concern



i think the recent issues have to do simply out of retribution, more and more games are being leaked early to the internet, and MS is pissed, so they take it out on the folks on Live

or maybe they were worried about alienaing a large market share, but now that xbox sales are starting to surpass ps2 sales (not total sales obviouslky, but i think they beat them out last quarter) they are less concerned about the relatively small "modding market" so they are taking further steps to get us off their system

another possibility is with halo2s release they are seeing an increase in traffic on Live (ive noticed h2 takes longer to load an dlog in than other games) and rather than upgrade their servers to handle more customers they simply remove a few "undersirables" from the system

well im just kinda throwing out random ideas that enter my head, so ill just post this and let the discussion continue

[LooGieLV]

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Feb 24 2005, 07:22 AM)

or maybe they were worried about alienaing a large market share, but now that xbox sales are starting to surpass ps2 sales (not total sales obviouslky, but i think they beat them out last quarter) they are less concerned about the relatively small "modding market" so they are taking further steps to get us off their system

another possibility is with halo2s release they are seeing an increase in traffic on Live (ive noticed h2 takes longer to load an dlog in than other games) and rather than upgrade their servers to handle more customers they simply remove a few "undersirables" from the system

well im just kinda throwing out random ideas that enter my head, so ill just post this and let the discussion continue

great GREAT points...i want to have your man babies...  
seriously, good points man.

but let's face it, MS has never really been hard on the piracy market (alot of people run pirated OS's and MS doesn't even check keys or anything when doing updates (some service pack installs may corrupt a *hacked up* OS install, but a corporate install (with no activation req'd) doesn't cause any concern, typically) and they still provide updates and other perks, if you will...

If someone shelled out the money for an Xbox, and the money for a legit game (gotta be legit to play) AND the money for XBL, (no wonder bill gates is the richest bastard around eh?) MS probably wouldn't care, unless they were concerned about being able to cheat and do other things re: hacking servers or anything; there's no telling what the future holds, and let's face, we are ALWAYS one step ahead of the "powers that be"... MS probably thought, it's best to get rid of the problems before they arise...

and if we think that soon MS won't be doing scans of HD size even without a flagged GT, we're living in some crazy super paradise of denial...

[lordvader129]

QUOTE(LooGieLV @ Feb 24 2005, 12:38 AM)

but let's face it, MS has never really been hard on the piracy market (alot of people run pirated OS's and MS doesn't even check keys or anything when doing updates (some service pack installs may corrupt a *hacked up* OS install, but a corporate install (with no activation req'd) doesn't cause any concern, typically) and they still provide updates and other perks, if you will...

well they do ban the "public" cd keys from downloading the service packs, but thats about it, just a token gesture, but int eh case of windows i think they make the big bucks from businesses (a company buys 100 computers, each of them needs a valid cd-key) or computer retailers (when you buy a dell it comes with a valid key) all those are paid for, so the pirated windows market is relatively small compared to that

even 90% of the poeple running pirate windows own a valid cd key (maybe its for home and they are running pro) but the point MS is still getting paid for SOMETHING


as for xbox, i bet the "pirated" market is larger than for windows, also, most peopel who pirate dont own anything legit (beyond the console itself, which MS may or may not still be LOSING money on)


sop this may explain why they are cracking down heavily on xbox piracy while only taking token gestures to prevent windows piracy

plus, look at the old steps they took, moving d0 in 1.3, removing 3.3v and gnd in 1.5, even the 1.6 wasnt such a big leap, all are still fairly easily moddable

Live is more like their safeguard, you MUST own the game to get on, and they want to make sure it stays that way

ok, i kinda forgot where i was going with this, its after 1am and im tired, lol

[refleckz]

i was just banned yesterday.

i have v1.6 with 80gig hd x3 chip, i created my live account on a stock xbox hd. then bought a moded 80gig hd and moved my account to my moded box. played for 2 months (always with chip off) and just got banned..(this was before i knew of the marriage theory).

weird thing is i have my xbox connected to my LINKSYS router connected to my comp as well. i have norton internet secutiry corp. editio. the same day i got banned while i was trying to get on. i was getting attacks on my comp reported by NORTON INRNT SEC. of my xbox name and xbox ip # trying to attack my comp.


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info as follows:
Attempted Intrusion "Welchia_ICMP_Scan" from your machine against scs.msg.yahoo.com(xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) was detected and blocked.
Intruder: REFLECKZ(xxx.xxx.x.xxx).
Risk Level: High.
Protocol: ICMP.
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norton sec. site says:
Welchia_ICMP_Scan
Attack Category: Custom Backdoor
Severity: High
more here: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/attack_sigs/sigs/Welchia_ICMP_Scan.html
..but its alotta m$ shit

you can contact me on aim @ refleckz05 / yahoo @ refleckz_05

[LooGieLV]

does anyone know if someone has ever been banned by (obviously never connecting with the chip on) and switching from one stock HDD to another Stock HDD. These HDDs would have to be pretty new, so as to test the idea that MS is a) marrying parts before they ship or b) that MS is documenting known good serial numbers of HDDs before they ship.

If the above case is true, then basically Marriage theory is a law.
If not, then MS is merely scanning for stock HD's, but not aggressively, merely on flagged GT's and the like

[lazysob]

My friend has a 1.6 xbox and he just got banned, I have a 1.0 xbox with an 80gb hd and the stock hd. Could I take my eeprom and the stock hd and put it in his xbox and xblive would work again?

I tried it with configmagic and no go. I unlocked the stock hd, backed up my eeprom.bin and put the hd in my friends xbox. Loaded up configmagic, put the new eeprom.bin in data folder of config magic then load eeprom from bin, then update eeprom and locked the drive. Xbox didn't boot up, did I do something wrong?

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(LooGieLV @ Feb 24 2005, 12:43 PM)

is it possible that the marriage theory isn't actually marriage between the parts, but instead it's just that MS was scanning for Modchips, AND ALSO scanning HD's, and didn't actually start banning upgraded HDs till now, since, it's obviously not as important as not allowing a chipped xbox on (ie cheating/unknown quirks/exploits/able to use backup games, yatta yatta?)

i see your point, but i believ your wrong. if you uypgrade your hdd, then sign up for xbl, your all right.l but if you chnage it after, you get banned. so tehy have to be checking somethiung in the hdd. either model number or serial number.
they cant be checkign teh size, because if tehy were, everyone with an upgraded hdd would be banned already

[Nutdotnet]

Ok, just so I'm correct in my thinking.

If I'm already banned.

1) Get a new hard drive
2) Get a new Eeprom
3) Get a new GamerTag

4) Install new EEPROM
5) Install new HD (or is this the other way around? First HD then EEPROM)
6) Use new Gamertag

Correct? I'd rather do this then buy a new XBox just to play Halo2 and MVP 2005.

Thanks!

[ferrari_rulz_02]

QUOTE(Nutdotnet @ Feb 25 2005, 05:31 PM)

1) Get a new hard drive
2) Get a new Eeprom
3) Get a new GamerTag

4) Install new EEPROM
5) Install new HD (or is this the other way around? First HD then EEPROM)
6) Use new Gamertag

 well teh way i understand it, you wont need a new gt if you get a new eeprom and hdd. and it doesnt matter which way around you install teh hdd and eeprom, as long as you do both before you go on live

[LooGieLV]

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 25 2005, 07:39 AM)

well teh way i understand it, you wont need a new gt if you get a new eeprom and hdd. and it doesnt matter which way around you install teh hdd and eeprom, as long as you do both before you go on live

actually, from what i understand, you won't need a new GT if you get a new STOCK hdd, if you get a new upgaded HD, you need a new GT...

[LooGieLV]

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 25 2005, 06:58 AM)

i see your point, but i believ your wrong. if you uypgrade your hdd, then sign up for xbl, your all right.l but if you chnage it after, you get banned. so tehy have to be checking somethiung in the hdd. either model number or serial number.
they cant be checkign teh size, because if tehy were, everyone with an upgraded hdd would be banned already

well, the only way we can know is to have someone sign onto live with either a virgin upgraded HDD, or a stock HDD, and then (after many hours of Halo 2:)) switch to another STOCK (and only stock) HDD, and if they get banned, it's marriage, if not, it's upgraded HDD's. But again, I stress that i believe MS is not even checking HDD's until the GT is flagged as troublesome, maybe a modified xbox error, or negative feedback or anything, then they scan the HDD.

But I digress... who wants to switch to a stock HD just to get banned? kinda a lose lose....LOSE situation...naaamean?

[Gumba]

QUOTE(LooGieLV @ Feb 24 2005, 04:23 PM)

This might help us...

1) has anyone who has a XBL blocking bios (therefore, has NEVER BEEN online with their modchip on) and ONLY has a STOCK HD ever been banned?

furthermore...

2) has anyone who has a XBL blocking bios (therefore, has NEVER BEEN online with their modchip on) and ONLY has an aftermarket HD ever been banned?

I'm sure some people will say they don't have the XBL blocking bios, but can PROMISE ON GOD that they've never accessed a Live feature before, but were still banned. But the only way we can be sure is if someone has ONLY had a XBL blocking bios (not upgraded to, but only had this bios) then we would know...

i guess if they locked their network cable in a safety deposit box when they weren't on Live, so little brothers and sisters never accessed live, then maybe that would stand to reason too, but barely.

The answer is probably nobody on 1) and some on 2), then we know what's really going on...

please respond if either one is you! it's important.

You can still go on live with a XBL blocking bios. The problem is most of them don't block the MS Dashboard from connecting to live. So you can get banned for doing a live update or in the dashboard when running off a hacked bios. This is the reason why the other step is "and make it so you can't run the MS dashboard from your hacked dashboard."

[Gumba]

QUOTE(ferrari_rulz_02 @ Feb 25 2005, 05:39 PM)

well teh way i understand it, you wont need a new gt if you get a new eeprom and hdd. and it doesnt matter which way around you install teh hdd and eeprom, as long as you do both before you go on live

You're wrong there..

If you want to use a non-stock drive then you need to use a new GT if you've been banned (recently, if you were banned 3 years ago, that doesn't matter )

[Gumba]

QUOTE(LooGieLV @ Feb 25 2005, 06:30 PM)

well, the only way we can know is to have someone sign onto live with either a virgin upgraded HDD, or a stock HDD, and then (after many hours of Halo 2:)) switch to another STOCK (and only stock) HDD, and if they get banned, it's marriage, if not, it's upgraded HDD's. But again, I stress that i believe MS is not even checking HDD's until the GT is flagged as troublesome, maybe a modified xbox error, or negative feedback or anything, then they scan the HDD.

But I digress... who wants to switch to a stock HD just to get banned? kinda a lose lose....LOSE situation...naaamean?

We *know* they'll get banned for swapping HDs.

Marriage Theory is over 3 months old now, and its pretty much rock solid (hasn't changed in two months or so)