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shanafan

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Has M$ Disabled My Mod Chip?!?!
« on: November 18, 2004, 11:01:00 PM »

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My conclusion is, after having read about 1000 posts on the whole banning issue, and all the different theories that people have come up with,I think M$ now has the ability to render Mod chips useless, either remotely, or by dropping a piece a software via a game(HALO2) into one of the partitions of the HDD

Heh..

So realistically, did you try to realign your modchip? Perhaps it became off centered.
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2004, 12:35:00 AM »

Funny, I had to resoldier my lpc points to after trying halo 2 :-)
game froze and after that, green red frag
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2004, 02:01:00 PM »

So you're saying when you turn the modchip on it frags, but when u turn it off and boot u must reset the clock?  I've had this prob before where everytime i enable the chip it would frag and then i'd have to reset the clock when disabling it.  it is not an uncommon problem, i always would just bump the chip, remove it and put it back in and it works fine.  You should give that a try cause other than your story i haven't heard a thing about anyone "haveing their modchip rendered useless".  But maybe it is something new that we will hear more about, i'd just try realigning the chip first and it shoudl fix ur probs, realign it and then reset the clock and u should be good to go. also u could try spraying a CO2 can to clear off dust around the modchip perhaps it got some dust on it, i've had that happen before too and cause frags.
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2004, 09:37:00 PM »

Well, ladies and gentlemen, Here's the update:
I re- flashed the chip via LPC and it now works again....until I powered it down. Booted and....frag. Flashed it again, and made sure that the dip switch is set to "write disable" No problems since. As far as the person who said I shoudn't come here and start making wild claims, tell me which institute of technology did YOU go to? Because I can tell you which one I went to. I am an avionics technician, trained at SAIT. (southern alberta institute of technology) Basically, if any of you know how to repair, diagnose, and maintain precision and sensitive instrumentation in an aircraft cockpit, please tell me. I KNOW  that Mod chips have a dip switch to protect the bios from accidentally being overwritten. I've never used it because you'd have to be a complete dumbass to accidentally overwrite your bios through EVOX dash. But since I've had the dip switch set to "write enable" for the past 2 years, with no problems, there was no reason to touch it. point IS I did not overwrite, or erase my bios, but something did. A new piece of software perhaps? "Hint" "Hint" dashupdate? HALO2?!? A remote scan perhaps? Since some of you imply your expertise in the way you reply in your posts, why don't you guys figure it out? All the obvious has been checked. LPC points are in pristine soldered condition, just as I made them to be, and continuity has been checked I cannot speak for other mod chips such as the SMARTXX or, ENIGMAH but I know that the X 2.2pro still has power even if you have it set to "disable". So why is the chip being overwritten, or corrupted when I have it on "write enable"? Is it a malfunction in the chip itself? If I restore a C:/  and E:/ backup from before I ever went onto XBL, or HALO2 Dash update, and the problem disappears, is that enough to convince you guys, of the possibility that M$ has found a way to erase a chip, if it's left in the "write enable condition, either remotely, or via "new software"? How do you explain, the fact that I have not been banned from XBL, when so many others with basically the same setup as me, are being banned? The marriage theory seems, very feasable, but it would also be feasable, that they are using other methods as well. It would be nothing for M$ to write a small piece of code that will "hit your chip" if you've left it in a write enable" condition.(still power running though chip). So here's the deal: Since I'm planning on buying another XBOX for live use anyway, I'm going to restore my C:/ and E:/ partitions to a state before HALO2, or LIVE, and report back here, as to what I find. I never professed that what I'm claiming is fact, I'm just telling you what I've found thus far, in order to see if other people have experienced similar incidents, and also in the spirit of contributing to the solution of the problem. And it's quite obvious in the forum, that the problem is not a simple one. I never refuted anyone elses theories, even though some were a little off in my opinion, but anything is possible, as long as it does not defy the laws of physics, and electricity. Could my chip have been hit by an electrostatic charge? It's possible, but since it's being overwritten somehow(with write enabled) and not otherwise, that I can pretty much rule out electrostatic charge. Don't worry, I'll keep all you cynics posted. and If I'm wrong, I'll be the first one to admit it, and I'll give all a formal " I'm a dumbass" apology. After all, if someone takes the time to post, in order to help others, then that should be acknowledged, not critisized.
Cheers.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2004, 12:16:00 AM »

QUOTE (vyper883 @ Nov 20 2004, 06:40 AM)
Well, ladies and gentlemen, Here's the update:
I re- flashed the chip via LPC and it now works again....until I powered it down. Booted and....frag. Flashed it again, and made sure that the dip switch is set to "write disable" No problems since. As far as the person who said I shoudn't come here and start making wild claims, tell me which institute of technology did YOU go to? Because I can tell you which one I went to. I am an avionics technician, trained at SAIT. (southern alberta institute of technology) Basically, if any of you know how to repair, diagnose, and maintain precision and sensitive instrumentation in an aircraft cockpit, please tell me. I KNOW  that Mod chips have a dip switch to protect the bios from accidentally being overwritten. I've never used it because you'd have to be a complete dumbass to accidentally overwrite your bios through EVOX dash. But since I've had the dip switch set to "write enable" for the past 2 years, with no problems, there was no reason to touch it. point IS I did not overwrite, or erase my bios, but something did. A new piece of software perhaps? "Hint" "Hint" dashupdate? HALO2?!? A remote scan perhaps? Since some of you imply your expertise in the way you reply in your posts, why don't you guys figure it out? All the obvious has been checked. LPC points are in pristine soldered condition, just as I made them to be, and continuity has been checked I cannot speak for other mod chips such as the SMARTXX or, ENIGMAH but I know that the X 2.2pro still has power even if you have it set to "disable". So why is the chip being overwritten, or corrupted when I have it on "write enable"? Is it a malfunction in the chip itself? If I restore a C:/  and E:/ backup from before I ever went onto XBL, or HALO2 Dash update, and the problem disappears, is that enough to convince you guys, of the possibility that M$ has found a way to erase a chip, if it's left in the "write enable condition, either remotely, or via "new software"? How do you explain, the fact that I have not been banned from XBL, when so many others with basically the same setup as me, are being banned? The marriage theory seems, very feasable, but it would also be feasable, that they are using other methods as well. It would be nothing for M$ to write a small piece of code that will "hit your chip" if you've left it in a write enable" condition.(still power running though chip). So here's the deal: Since I'm planning on buying another XBOX for live use anyway, I'm going to restore my C:/ and E:/ partitions to a state before HALO2, or LIVE, and report back here, as to what I find. I never professed that what I'm claiming is fact, I'm just telling you what I've found thus far, in order to see if other people have experienced similar incidents, and also in the spirit of contributing to the solution of the problem. And it's quite obvious in the forum, that the problem is not a simple one. I never refuted anyone elses theories, even though some were a little off in my opinion, but anything is possible, as long as it does not defy the laws of physics, and electricity. Could my chip have been hit by an electrostatic charge? It's possible, but since it's being overwritten somehow(with write enabled) and not otherwise, that I can pretty much rule out electrostatic charge. Don't worry, I'll keep all you cynics posted. and If I'm wrong, I'll be the first one to admit it, and I'll give all a formal " I'm a dumbass" apology. After all, if someone takes the time to post, in order to help others, that that should be acknowledged, not critisized.
Cheers.

Great post
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2004, 01:50:00 AM »

well odds are your chip got fucked.... i imagine it has something to do with you turning it on while the xbox was running..

ive had an x2.3b lite fail on me while putting it on the lpc when it was running (stupid oif me.. was testing some shit out to flash the tsop from lpc and shit).. i learned my lesson

your best bet is to see if u can reprogram the chip (a x2 programmer, or hotswapping while the xbox is on with someone who has a working chip)

hope this helped
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2004, 10:20:00 AM »

(sigh) Never enabled the chip when XBOX was running- read the post-chip is working fine- only gets overwritten, when set to "write enabled"
cheers
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2004, 01:42:00 PM »

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I re- flashed the chip via LPC and it now works again....until I powered it down. Booted and....frag. Flashed it again, and made sure that the dip switch is set to "write disable" No problems since.


Excellent.  Now you need to take the next step and rule out that the problem is your mod chip by putting another chip in there and seeing if the same problem happens.  If you keep getting the same results I'd also try putting your hard drive into another modded Xbox and rule out your Xbox itself that might be causing the problem.  

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I KNOW  that Mod chips have a dip switch to protect the bios from accidentally being overwritten. I've never used it because you'd have to be a complete dumbass to accidentally overwrite your bios through EVOX dash.


Accidents can and will happen.  I take it that you are the only person using your Xbox.  There is a reason why floppy disks historically had a write enable (or write protect) notch and it certainly doesn't imply that the user is a dumbass.  It's a reasonable precaution.  There was nothing in your original post that indicated that you were even aware of of the flash protect.  

Now, if I suspected that M$ was reflashing my BIOS what would be the FIRST THING I would try to do?  Check the flash protect.  Thing is, I wouldn't have jumped to that conclusion without ruling out that it was my own hardware at fault first.  

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As far as the person who said I shoudn't come here and start making wild claims, tell me which institute of technology did YOU go to? Because I can tell you which one I went to. I am an avionics technician, trained at SAIT. (southern alberta institute of technology) Basically, if any of you know how to repair, diagnose, and maintain precision and sensitive instrumentation in an aircraft cockpit, please tell me.


Now how is brandishing your credentials helping this community and adding to our base of knowledge, as you have previously put it?  I daresay that the majority of people here are not as uniquely qualified as yourself.  Do you feel vindicated now?

If you want to get into a penis-size contest with me then go ahead, and this thread (and your theory) will be fast on its way to the trash bin by the moderators.

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Since some of you imply your expertise in the way you reply in your posts, why don't you guys figure it out?


How about we take a slice of what you do in your job:

When a piece of aircraft equipment fails and you are called in to fix it do you not have a troubleshooting decision tree or logic tree provded by the manufacturer or at least your own in-house chart for dealing with common problems and ruling out more complex (and costly) alternatives?  Or do you skip steps B,C, D and jump to Z and suspect it's a conspiracy by the part/systems manufacturer and start an investigation working backwards from that supposition?

If you do the second thing then I'm surprised you are still employed  jester.gif

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I never professed that what I'm claiming is fact,


From your inital post:

"My conclusion is, after having read about 1000 posts on the whole banning issue, and all the different theories that people have come up with,I think M$ now has the ability to render Mod chips useless, either remotely, or by dropping a piece a software via a game(HALO2) into one of the partitions of the HDD. The question is how did that happen?"

You didn't outright claim it as fact but you did jump to a conclusion and then started an investigtion on the pretext that it WAS a fact.

Your theory could be right, but we haven't seen ANYONE ELSE chiming in to say that their BIOS's have also been erased.  Perhaps it needs a little more time before the numbers come in and then we can form a game plan.  In the meantime hundreds of people are getting banned left and right for a completely different issue and excuse us if we are all busy investiagting avenues that have numbers and some statistics to back them up.

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It would be nothing for M$ to write a small piece of code that will "hit your chip" if you've left it in a write enable" condition.(still power running though chip)


Sure, but why target only people who didn't enable their flash protect?  It makes no sense.  The community would figure it out pretty quick and get the word out.  Everyone would then be flash protected with new BIOSes and in the end it would have accomplished no lasting damage and a wasted effort on the part of MS.
The fact that your flash ROM was not permanently corrupted and you could reflash indicates it's not M$ doing this.  If I were M$ and I chose to attack you in this way I would make sure that chip could not be used again -- or even better, reflash your mod chip ROM with their own BIOS and then ban you the instant you popped onto live with your chip on in the M$ dash.  

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. Could my chip have been hit by an electrostatic charge? It's possible, but since it's being overwritten somehow(with write enabled) and not otherwise, that I can pretty much rule out electrostatic charge.


If the flash circuitry were not working correctly on your chip and intermittently writing garbage without a software initation then enabling hardware flash protect will keep this from happening.  It would give the same result as your theory that enabling flash protect is preventing some rogue M$ program from attacking your chip.

Did you dump the contents of your BIOS back to the PC and do a checksum compare to see if it's been completely erased or just corrupted or did you just attempt to overwrite what was there when you reflashed?  I believe the X2.2 chips also have a separate upper bank for a second BIOS.  Is there a BIOS residing in that bank or has that been corrupted/erased too?  Check the dips/jumpers that allocate those banks.  Most of the people I know with chips flashed the entire two banks with a BIOS+BIOS instead of flashing the banks individually.  It could be a problem with the bank allocation and it's switching to a possibly empty upper bank.  I can think of other possibilities.  There's still a lot of basic investigation that you haven't done on your part yet.

In fact, with an X2pro you are in a better position to investiagate this because most people do not have a link to easily reflash or even dump their BIOS via a PC.

IMO, It's still pointing back to your chip or your Xbox.  If you can rule out your chip and Xbox AND we see some more people with this problem THEN we can start blaming M$.
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2004, 10:23:00 PM »

In reply to your post "Rob Ocelot", yes I was always aware of the flash protection dip switch, and yes I am the only one who uses my XBOX. Yes you are right, accidents DO happen, although, the ONLY way I could accidentally overwrite the bios, is by EVOX, and you'd have to go though three menus to do it, not to mention that the flashing process is indicated by a bar at the bottom of the screen, so I think I would have noticed something like that. And no, flash protection is not unreasonable, but in my situation, I do not have any children, or other adults that use my XBOX. I live alone, so suffice to say I don't have to worry about someone who is not familliar, yet curious enough to explore my XBOX.
 As far as the details of my job, I think they are beyond the scope of this forum, and the reason I deemed necessary to mention my profession, is to give a sense to you, and anyone else who challenges me, that I pretty much know my XBOX, and I pretty much know what I'm doing IMO. I don't think you, or anyone else has the right to come here and tell me that I make wild claims, or use my ten minutes to inspect my XBOX, as opposed to posting in this forum. I did not come here to be challenged, or to challenge anyone, I came here to contribute to a solution of the problems we are having, by mentioning my experiences. And AGAIN I'll say, I never refuted other members theories, and I never said what I believe is fact. So please do me a favour and stop quoting bits and pieces of my posts. If you want to quote something, why don't you quote the parts where I say, that I will keep looking nto the events of my findings, or what about the part that I will admit if I've taken a wrong path, and apologize to this forum. Maybe it will be you who will find your posts in the trash bin, or maybe it will be both of us, so I propose a truce, in the spirit of being constructive. What do you say? Are we agreed?
   I do not have another chip laying around to see if the problem persists, although that would answer a lot of questions. But there ARE other ways to find out if in fact the chip is at fault. What I DO know, is that the problems started shortly AFTER HALO2, the dash update, and connecting to XBL for the first time, two years AFTER modding the XBOX, so I strongly believe therein lies the problem, as I've NEVER had any problems with my XBOX before. Like you said it may be merely a coincidence, but I find it very unlikely. I WILL restore old backups of C:/ and E:/ partitions, and maybe X Y Z to be sure. I'll report back to this thread on what I find.
 I know that initially, it would not make sense to think that M$ would be targeting mod chips that are left on write enable. But it could very well be a trade-off from getting banned. Maybe those of us who were lucky, or unlucky(take it as you may) enough to leave the chip to "write enable" are given a "chance" so-to-speak, Basically, if you inadvertely allow your chip to be erased, by a piece of embedded "sleeper" software in the "new and improved" xboxdash.xbe, that is patiently waiting for you to power on your chip, or remotely, then you won't get banned from XBL. As far as M$ is concered, the perverbial thorn in their side is the mod chip itself, and the hacked bios it contains. That is the root of their problem. Bigger HDD's new partitions, various homebrew apps, are all useless without the chip and/or the bios. So as in most solution scenarios, the logical path is to eliminate the problem at it's source- in this case the chip, and it's instructions, which tells the XBOX what it can and cannot do, within the limitations of it's hardware infrastructure of course. Again considering the scrutiny that I've recieved from you in the past, I will mention that it is my OWN theory, considering that I have not been banned. The Marriage theory? Very likely, and I won't refute that. There have been many articles on the internet about M$'s plans to crack down on modders, and cheaters, and they can scan HDD's, or whatever else have you. But I don't really believe M$ would disclose any hints, or precise information, on how exactly they are dealing with the problem, or the methods they have chosen to tackle it. I think that they would purposely want to put us on the wrong track. Yes, it is odd that no one else has come foward with similar incidences, although there was one post somebody else wrote(can't remember the make of the chip) stating that his LEDS were acting strange, inticative of his chip going into different modes- enable and disable- without his intervention. He said that he noticed the LEDS on the eject button went from Green, to yellow to red, and that his chip indicates those colors, to let the user know which mode his chip is in, as to not accidentally log onto XBL, with the chip on. So there IS one similar instance reported, after all. I will try to find it, and post the link here. I hope the members, moderators, administrators, and yourself, will find my reply satisfactory, in regards to my conduct.
Cheers.
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2004, 11:13:00 AM »

Closed due to original poster's request.. I am not going to analyze the topic and pull stuff from it so it's more "proper"
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