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Angerwound

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« on: November 17, 2004, 05:52:00 PM »
Ever wonder why the security updates? QUOTE FROM  ORIGINAL POST
(One of my posts on that page)

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The reasoning behind the latest bans/terminations is not because of the HALO2 leak. It's mostly because of a certain live 'exploit' you could say that allowed users to connect to the service with a backup... Since this flaw is now fixed with the latest security updates Let me explain.

As most of you know there exists HDD-Flagged versions of game executables. These files are sent down by the MS service when a game engine needs updated or bugs need fixed. Users were taking these special XBE's and placing them on the hard drive as 'xboxdash.xbe' on the 'C' Partition. Now you might think to yourself, how is this going to allow them to run the game when only the XBE file is located on the drive. Well, turns out if you place a backup of the game in the dvd-rom and then place this XBE as 'xboxdash.xbe' the xbe will be launched due to the correct signatures and then the files willl be accessed from the DVD-Rom. In conclusion, what do you have? A backup running on live. I wouldn't advise anyone to attempt this because it will result in a ban and will not connect to the service any longer because of what is being checked. You can verify this was working at one time via the link in the first post of this thread.

This brings me to my next point. In order for them to detect this they have to be checking the xboxdash.xbe file on the /c/ partition. That would be the only way of detecting this besides scannign what partition your running the XBE file from when you connect to the service.

Furthermore, this could be what is *Mysteriously* causing these bans. People are leaving a modified xboxdash.xbe file on the drive and connecting to the service with what they thought to be a retail state.

Anyhow, I hope this provides some people with a bit more info on what is happening and how to prevent it.


Well, after much time spent fooling around and toying with things I have discovered that instead of banning the Serial Number/Mac Addy they are in fact banning the HDD Key that your HDD is locked with.

If you don't trust this info to be true, take your banned eeprom and place the HDD Key of a valid, unbanned eeprom in it's configuration. Don't forget to relock your hard drive of course. I have had my box unbanned and running live for almost a week now. That includes running Halo 2. If others could test this and give me some feedback on boxes other than mine it would be great.

I mainly shared this info to prove that they are in no way banning Hard Drives. I've been using the same hard drive since day one of XBL. Numerous Bans and account terminations yet I'm back on with a completely retail hard disk and new HDD Key(EEPROM).

Any questions/comments please direct them to this thread. I'd be more than happy to try and answer things here rather than by PM.

Anyhow, just as the news states...

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Angerwound sent us new information about the new Xbox LIVE banning system.
Apparently MS is now only banning the HDD-Key and not the Serial
Number/Mac Address of the EEprom as before. This means that you do not
need a whole new EEprom to get unbanned, but only a valid and non-banned
HDD-Key.

So if your Xbox got banned you can unban it by unlocking your HD, change
the HDD-Key in your EEprom (using configmagic or other EEprom tools)
with a unbanned one from another EEprom (you can't just use a random key
- it must be a valid one from a retail box), then just relock your HD and
your Xbox will be unbanned. Even using an old banned EEprom and change it
with an unbanned HDD-Key, will allow you to connect on LIVE. This has been
tested for over a week and the xbox is still not banned. The box in question
has been banned several times before as well as had it's live account
terminated. Angerwound even tested it by putting random information on all
other paramaters except the HDD-Key and it connected fine on LIVE.

This could have a great deal to do with why people are randomly getting banned now.
They had previously been using a valid serial number/Mac address but now
the authentication servers do not want to validate their HDD Key.

The above information tells you how to get unbanned, but if you don't change
anything to your setup it's likely you'll get banned again of course. At
this moment we don't know yet what MS is all checking to ban an Xbox...
However, they are probably checking several things on the HD. So best thing
you can do is to use your MS retail and unotuched (no homebrew/hacked
files) HD (don't forget to also unlock/relock it with the new key) to
connect on LIVE.



This post has been edited by Angerwound: Dec 15 2004, 05:21 AM
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Ces2k3

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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2004, 06:05:00 PM »
but im getting the xbox live not found error even thou my other clean xbox isnt getting the same error.whould this apply to this also?
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2004, 06:13:00 PM »
How do you change your HDD key?  I've got a clean key, but I don't know how to update the HDD key from configmagic.
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2004, 06:29:00 PM »
Hey I was wondering if you could help me out.
I have a 1.1 Xbox with an X-Chip and an 80 gig hard drive. The night I got back from getting Halo 2 I got banned, sucks doesn't it dry.gif ? Anyway my friend is going to send me an unmodded stock retail Xbox hard drive, can I just swith it to that hard drive and im unbanned? Or do I have to change something in the Eeprom? If so, can you possibly give some steps on how to do this, I seriosuly don't wanna mess something up.
Thanks and really good work on finding this out! beerchug.gif
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2004, 06:31:00 PM »
yeah. how do u change the HD key?
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2004, 06:37:00 PM »
Angerwound thnx a lot man!!!  Can u keep giving us feedback? plzz. I wanna mod my Xbox (kno quite a bit abt it, jus didn't do it yet) and the only thing that makes me hesitate is the XbLive deal. And im sure to be logged w/ my stock seagate cuz i partly signed up (I kno ur thinkin ?!?).  Plzzz keep us posted. Thnx again.

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2004, 06:39:00 PM »
QUOTE (Inuyasha152 @ Nov 18 2004, 03:32 AM)
The night I got back from getting Halo 2 I got banned, sucks doesn't it dry.gif ? Anyway my friend is going to send me an unmodded stock retail Xbox hard drive, can I just swith it to that hard drive and im unbanned? Or do I have to change something in the Eeprom?

Hey he doesnt mean HDD Serial!!  He means HDD KEY which is in the EEPRom.
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2004, 06:50:00 PM »
How would they be able to detect files on the F drive?  I mean in the first place to connect to XBLive you have to use your standard MS Bios... which means no F drive support, which means MS through all their means would not be able to detect anything on the F Drive... just an idea for those who shut their modchip off to play on Live.. I would think if everything "contraband" was on the F you would be safe.


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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2004, 06:50:00 PM »
so...if you installed a new hdd did an acount recovery on the new hdd wouldnt this update the Live database, to M$ it would look like you recovered a new account to a new xbox.... I'm still not banned yet and was wandering if doin an account recovery had anything to do with it?? or is it when you do the halo 2 update?? I still have my original hdd, but wouldnt I get banned if I swapped it in since the hdd key would be different then the one that's in their database now?? just curious..
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2004, 06:57:00 PM »
I'd love to be able to confirm this, but after replacing my new eeprom with my old eeprom and changing the HDD key to a clean one, I'm still having the "Communication Error" problem that I had after I put in the new eeprom.

So I'm back to square one.  But I'm not giving up damnit.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2004, 07:00:00 PM »
angerwound id be more than happy to test it for you, however i have changed my eeprom 4 times as i have been running test of my own. Every time, banned so far.
Your says get the hdd key from an unbanned eeprom and insert it into your existing banned eeprom using a program like config magic, correct?
Ok, thats fine, but then when the hdd locked why wouldnt you get banned again? Your saying they have flags on certain hdd keys? And if they do, why wouldnt they flag this one and the whole process just starts over?
I am willing to test this for you, just pm me if you'd like so we can talk on aim so i can get all the information i need. I just want to make sure im understanding this 100% before i waste another eeprom.
Thanks
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2004, 07:21:00 PM »
I'm saying to take an eeprom you  know worked on your xbox system at one time...
replace it's HDD Key, with that of a virgin unbanned eeprom. You should no longer recieve this Communication Error.

Secondly, if you do recieve a connection error please specify what type of error you have recieved. I myself usually recieved 'Network Error", "Configuration Error", or "Modified XBOX" if I was banned. Replacing the HDD Key solved each of these problems.
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2004, 07:21:00 PM »
Can someone please provide the steps in replacing the HDD Key in Configmagic.

Thanks in advance
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2004, 07:30:00 PM »
could i replace my maxtor 250gb sn that has been banned w/ a stock hd sn or will that not work
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2004, 07:31:00 PM »
thats mean using a banned harddisk on a new HDKEY is passed to live?
since using different harddisks have a same HDKEY on the same eeprom.


Thanks for great treasure laugh.gif

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