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[Ces2k3]

QUOTE (lordvader129 @ Nov 9 2004, 11:19 PM)

if banned due to large HD is the system now how come im not banned? im running a 250 and itsa not like i dont go on Live often, im there all the time shanafan i believe is running a 160 and as far as i know hes never been banned either, explain those? i find it hard to belive that we are just "slipping through the cracks" when it appears other peopel are being banned almost immediately

Amen to that, i said it before, i went thru 3 hd and   i never have been banned still to this day. im using a 160 wd right now and im  busting someones ass in  madden 48-6 in the 3rd qtr  

[benbon]

If you need unbanned eeproms go to XS Filter - 032408 -3

[mattfl]

QUOTE (Dugath @ Nov 10 2004, 03:56 AM)

Okay why do some people get banned and not others.. I will tell you why... MS dare not Ban every user they find exploiting thier xbox.. if they do think about how much $$$ they will loose in xbox live accounts... so instead they ban some.. and will wait awaile and ban more when xbox live users levels get high again..  Your not going to shoot yourself in the foot over modified xbox's, MS knows probably 30-60% of people mod thier xbox's, and is probably why they sold as many as they did, xbox is easy to mod so people buy it (that and the cool games)..they might grumble about modified xbox's but they get too much $$$ from people buying them and using live. So I believe they would just punish a few, wait 1-3 months for more subscriptions then punish more..ect.. this way they dont loose too much cash flow and put on a show of being all powerfull and not tolerating people who mod thier box's. if you banned everyeone who had a mod'd xbox from live, MS would kill themselves with the loss of that revinue.

you really think 30-60% of xbox owners have modded xboxes?  I think your guestimates are a little off   i'd say, of the whole of people who own xboxes, a smaller less than 10% of them are modded. Think about it, you're average user isn't going to have a modded xbox or even know what one would do with a modded xbox. And of all the people they are banning, how many of them do you actually think will cancel their account? I think most people would rather just go out and buy another xbox if they REALLY care about playing on live. You seem to think the modded xbox community is larger than the legit xbox community, you're definetly far off base on that one.

[Dugath]

I dunno.. everyone I know who has an xbox has it mod'd.. I am sure the number is high for the amount who do.. none the less.. MS wont shoot themselves by banning all who have mod's xbox's... they will do a few at a time. after all its not like they are making a profit in selling them, so they need the cash flow from Live.

[jasonb986]

my question is that if i was banned from xbox live, if i replace the hard drive i have in there now with a new factory xbox hard drive, will i be able to get on xbox live again?

[Trisman]

Sorry jason, you need a new eeprom code.  Somebody above me posted a link where you can buy them.

[whet1134]

I've been on this site for the past 2 days trying to figure out what the hell has happened and the only logical conclusion I have come up with is this:

If you had an Xbox, regardless of version number, that was un-modded when you got XBL, and proceeded to mod it, then you're busted.  If you modded your xbox before you got XBL, then you're in the clear.  I believe MS registered your EEPROM and HDD serials when you got on XBL.  Then, if ONE of them changed and one stayed the same, then you got banned because they'd know something was up.  Furthermore, once you were banned, your EEPROM and HDD serials were banned that if you tried to use EITHER of them, then the that combination was also banned. Once a serial is banned, you cannot use it again. Period

An example for those who are lost:  

Johnny buys an xbox.  Johnny gets XBL.  Johnny gets on XBL with his new xbox.  Johnny decides, "I want to make backups of my games so they don't get ruined and only use my original retail copies for XBL."  So Johnny gets his xbox modded with a huge hard drive.  Unfortunately, Johnny's new harddrive serial doesn't match the stock harddrive serial that he used to get on XBL originally, yet his EEPROM serial is the same, so he's banned even tho he turned his modchip off.  

Across town, Sally buys an xbox too, but she knows MS is screwing its customers.  So she gets her xbox modded before she gets on XBL.  Sally makes sure that her huge replacement harddrive is clean and any "additions" she makes to it are located on F drive.  This may not matter at all, but Sally thinks it's safer.  Sally signs up with XBL for the first time and now her EEPROM and HDD serials are recorded.  She's safe and Johnny is out in the cold.  Johnny's sad.  

That's pretty much the only way I can imagine it being.  I never downloaded the Halo2 leak... I think its wrong.  The only thing I have on my Xbox is a 200gb HDD with EvoX, XBMC, and my personal game backups.  I'm banned.  I'm never getting back on XBL anyway unless MS drops this stupid crusade.

The solution is this:  Get another HDD, another EEPROM, and a brand new XBL acct.  Then follow ClockedHunter's directions.  It seems to be the most reliable fix thus far.

[jshorr]

Hmmm that's interesting...they could be looking for size AND a few key files on the C\E drives.  A co-worker here also mentioned that when Halo2 boots up from HD he hears the drive spin like crazy....

[Rattled_by_the_Rush]

I hold fast to my theory that people are screwing up somehow(leaving a chip on, trying to cheat, playing a game with trainers on a gamesave or something) and that no modders are getting banned out of the blue.  

I've lasted through like 3 of these "omg m$ is banning everyone" waves on this forum.

[Pikachu]

[Heykrop]

QUOTE (whet1134 @ Nov 10 2004, 06:10 PM)

I've been on this site for the past 2 days trying to figure out what the hell has happened and the only logical conclusion I have come up with is this: If you had an Xbox, regardless of version number, that was un-modded when you got XBL, and proceeded to mod it, then you're busted.  If you modded your xbox before you got XBL, then you're in the clear.  I believe MS registered your EEPROM and HDD serials when you got on XBL.  Then, if ONE of them changed and one stayed the same, then you got banned because they'd know something was up.  Furthermore, once you were banned, your EEPROM and HDD serials were banned that if you tried to use EITHER of them, then the that combination was also banned. Once a serial is banned, you cannot use it again. Period An example for those who are lost:  Johnny buys an xbox.  Johnny gets XBL.  Johnny gets on XBL with his new xbox.  Johnny decides, "I want to make backups of my games so they don't get ruined and only use my original retail copies for XBL."  So Johnny gets his xbox modded with a huge hard drive.  Unfortunately, Johnny's new harddrive serial doesn't match the stock harddrive serial that he used to get on XBL originally, yet his EEPROM serial is the same, so he's banned even tho he turned his modchip off.  Across town, Sally buys an xbox too, but she knows MS is screwing its customers.  So she gets her xbox modded before she gets on XBL.  Sally makes sure that her huge replacement harddrive is clean and any "additions" she makes to it are located on F drive.  This may not matter at all, but Sally thinks it's safer.  Sally signs up with XBL for the first time and now her EEPROM and HDD serials are recorded.  She's safe and Johnny is out in the cold.  Johnny's sad.  That's pretty much the only way I can imagine it being.  I never downloaded the Halo2 leak... I think its wrong.  The only thing I have on my Xbox is a 200gb HDD with EvoX, XBMC, and my personal game backups.  I'm banned.  I'm never getting back on XBL anyway unless MS drops this stupid crusade. The solution is this:  Get another HDD, another EEPROM, and a brand new XBL acct.  Then follow ClockedHunter's directions.  It seems to be the most reliable fix thus far.

I am in agreement with this. With the only addidtion being that the newer boxes, as of some point, possibly 1.5 or so, are leaving the factory with the Serial, EEPROM and HDD serial being pre recorded.  This would explain why there have been a few people posting that a new box, never on live, that had a chip and larger drive installed before going live were banned on the initial connection. M$ already knew what the paired HDD and EEPROM were before the first connection to LIVE.


edit.  Yes some pople ay have gotten a newer box nad did all that and got the free pass as they may not have started doing this till the middle of a version run. Therefore there may be some (insert whatever version number they may have started doing this on) boxes that can go live with a non stock drive.  

Also there may be some that have a newer box that did this before going live that have not been banned yet because 1. It can take up to several days in some cases to get banned. If this theory hold true it may be due to how long it takes to get the updates from the factory integrated into the live database. 2. It may also depend on the GAME you are connecting with as many games if not all have different  servers dedicated to them. In the case of the initial connection to sign up everyone connects to the same regional server for that and I'm sure that server is updated more frequently and dilligently than others.

Just my 2 ¢