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[dogfish]

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How and what gets checked on the processor? Where did you get this info and how reliable is it? I still what to hear from someone that has done an HDD switch then an eeprom switch.

[joker469]

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o yea lol i forgot to mention about the processor id check... lol i read that from the beggining of this post. its the first one in this post just read the entire thing as an entity and you should be good.

edit 2:
if the tsop breaks cant you just solder a modchip with the retail bios of M$  and go live?
just curious

[mc_365]

From this and the other threads I can only conclude that MS is doing nothing different as far as detection of modified boxes.  What they have done is to use an new technique to thrawt the efforts of owners of previously banned boxes from returning to the gaming service with the same modifed hardware.  The HD serial is being utilized in tandem with the eeprom to prevent re-entry of compromised boxes back into the gaming enviornment.  When first bann occurs eeprom and HD serial data is most likely archived.  Now starting on or about 10/15 MS is pulling all eeproms and serials and cross referencing with the banned database.  If either unique identifier exist in previously banned database imediate bann is triggerd and HD serial and eeprom are recorded into banned database.  The only way to unban your xbox is to get a New HD and non banned eeprom or get a new xbox.

There maybe some cases that are in opossition to this conclustion but those anomalies may be attributed to other variables such as:

Purchase point of xbox.  Eg "I bought my xbox pre modded"
Source of eeprom replacement.  Eg  Eeprom seller sold the same eeprom to 5 people.
Live Service Thecnical Issues. Eg Data corruption on MS server.
Human Error.  Eg Logged in with Hacked Bios.
Other random events.  Eg Someone on live complained that you where using  a Hack

We can speculate as much as we want but this is where the evidence leads me.
Don't get banned the first time and you will be allright for now.

[CloakedHunter]

I'm fairly certain that you must completely change your Gamer Tag (along with billing and credit card information) as well, unless you are installing an unbanned stock HDD.

[Hinotori]

QUOTE (mc_365 @ Oct 26 2004, 10:01 PM)

From this and the other threads I can only conclude that MS is doing nothing different as far as detection of modified boxes.  What they have done is to use an new technique to thrawt the efforts of owners of previously banned boxes from returning to the gaming service with the same modifed hardware.  The HD serial is being utilized in tandem with the eeprom to prevent re-entry of compromised boxes back into the gaming enviornment.  When first bann occurs eeprom and HD serial data is most likely archived.  Now starting on or about 10/15 MS is pulling all eeproms and serials and cross referencing with the banned database.  If either unique identifier exist in previously banned database imediate bann is triggerd and HD serial and eeprom are recorded into banned database.  The only way to unban your xbox is to get a New HD and non banned eeprom or get a new xbox. There maybe some cases that are in opossition to this conclustion but those anomalies may be attributed to other variables such as: Purchase point of xbox.  Eg "I bought my xbox pre modded" Source of eeprom replacement.  Eg  Eeprom seller sold the same eeprom to 5 people. Live Service Thecnical Issues. Eg Data corruption on MS server. Human Error.  Eg Logged in with Hacked Bios. Other random events.  Eg Someone on live complained that you where using  a Hack We can speculate as much as we want but this is where the evidence leads me. Don't get banned the first time and you will be allright for now.

There is someone in one of the threads here that says he has two xboxes, one banned and one not banned.

He says he did put the HD of the banned console on the never banned console, and it was still not banned. I really don't have a clue if it is true or not, but assuming it is, there is something left to figure out.

[mc_365]

Dogfish,
If you and your Bud are willing you can test Cloakedhunters theory.

Dogfish can you save your banned GT to a memory card then on your buds box delete his GT and load yours form the memory card and see if you can play for 72 hours?

[DarkMMM]

so if i get a new Eeprom, ill still be rebanned?

[joker469]

yes you need a new eeprom new hard drive and gamertag.... thats the only way you can get back on live with a peace of mind because technicly thats a new xbox and the other things you can change is your mother board and the processors since they are seperate enititys

[DarkMMM]

does it have to be a stock hdd or will my old 14gb work??

[dogfish]

, Illl ask this evening though.

I will try a gamertag on a non modded box though and see what happens.

[Stretch2004]

Just seen this on Xbox Forums. Thought it might interest you:


"The Xbox Live team has noticed and received reports from the Xbox Live community about users connecting to the Xbox Live service using modified Xbox consoles. In most cases, these users have used the modifications to gain an unfair advantage over other players, such as racing modified, faster cars in Project Gotham Racing 2. By doing this, users are breaking the Terms of Service that must be agreed to when a gametag is created. The Xbox Live team will not tolerate this unfair activity and have taken steps to protect our community from this cheating.

Xbox Live has recently initiated additional security measures to ensure that those connecting to Xbox Live with modified hardware will be removed from the system. Modified consoles will be banned, and information about those banned machines will be tracked to prevent them from connecting to the service again.

It’s important to the Xbox Live team that we provide an environment that is free of cheating and gives all players an opportunity to compete fairly online. Xbox Live constantly monitors for users attempting to bypass security measures and gain unfair advantages over other players, and will take additional action as needed."

Yeahhhhh, i bet they only did it to stop cheaters pfft

[joker469]

no
i was just using that as an exaple since i cloned my stock my replacement is just as exceptionl as my stock item hard drive



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[Orangey]

QUOTE (Stretch2004 @ Oct 26 2004, 02:36 PM)

Just seen this on Xbox Forums. Thought it might interest you: "The Xbox Live team has noticed and received reports from the Xbox Live community about users connecting to the Xbox Live service using modified Xbox consoles. In most cases, these users have used the modifications to gain an unfair advantage over other players, such as racing modified, faster cars in Project Gotham Racing 2. By doing this, users are breaking the Terms of Service that must be agreed to when a gametag is created. The Xbox Live team will not tolerate this unfair activity and have taken steps to protect our community from this cheating. Xbox Live has recently initiated additional security measures to ensure that those connecting to Xbox Live with modified hardware will be removed from the system. Modified consoles will be banned, and information about those banned machines will be tracked to prevent them from connecting to the service again. It’s important to the Xbox Live team that we provide an environment that is free of cheating and gives all players an opportunity to compete fairly online. Xbox Live constantly monitors for users attempting to bypass security measures and gain unfair advantages over other players, and will take additional action as needed." Yeahhhhh, i bet they only did it to stop cheaters pfft

Nothing like week old news. *yawn*

[dogfish]

QUOTE (DarkMMM @ Oct 26 2004, 10:33 PM)

does it have to be a stock hdd or will my old 14gb work??

DarkMM here is how it currently seems to be working.

If you have been banned with a modded xbox and a modded hd you need to do this

1. get a new hdd and install doesn't have to be stock, can be a new HDD just with a different serial
2. Get a new eeprom and flash it. Don't forget to unlock hdd before flashing and lock after flashing
3. should be good to go, possibly try a different gamertag, I don't think this matters though. I'm sure they can't ban gamertags and I don't think a flagged gamertag could subject you to closer scrutiny than a non flagged one, what else could they check? your gamertag still entitles you to use xbox live, just not on modified hardware.

[Stretch2004]

QUOTE (Orangey @ Oct 26 2004, 10:39 PM)

Nothing like week old news. *yawn*

Yes i know the whole "banning" issue is old but i just wanted to post the official news from MS as i thought some of you might not have seen it. The slightly small post was uncalled for really as you could have just ignored it.