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[L!M!T]

QUOTE (cap269 @ Mar 8 2004, 10:30 AM)

Troed, what you say is true. But the name of the function quoted is  XcVerifyPKCS1Signature.  ... Verify Signature ... not something like "send spy data to MS" ... I reiterate it is used for creating/checking online gaming transaction signatures, not hardware identification.

If I wanted to keep something away from prying eyes, reverse engineering or similar, I would definitely name my function to something highly irrational.

The first thing people look for when snooping around is obvious stuff, like strings that could refer to a function, messagebox or whatever, in plaintext.

I mean, would you have believed in this code snippet even more if it was named something like "XBLLiveHDDDetectionToBeUsedForBanningPeopleSoon" which had a subfunction named "GetHiddenHDDInformation"?

Since almost all XBL enabled games contains various routines that sends stuff to the XBL servers, I would not reject this as bogus, nor would I believe it blindly.

But since XBL downloadable content are subject to change and executed on your beloved Xbox, MS can, and most certainly will, change it, to protect their interests both within the XBL service as well as their interest in modded Xboxes.


Regards,
L!M!T

[Kazaki]

*deleted for double post... dunno how to actually REMOVE though*

[Kazaki]

QUOTE (jaxxmanuk @ Mar 8 2004, 07:23 AM)

Whether they start banning or not the real question is................ Why would MS want to cripple a large percentage of its own income? lol You can't use your XBOX on Live with it Modded, so you have to BUY originals and you can't use Live without paying for it. If I was to get banned 2day I'd cancel that subscription and just not bother! Seem's to me the only losers would be M$.

See, this is way M$ is going to wait till AFTER everyone pays their annual fee.  

[xprezz]

ehm people pay their anual fee at different times depending on when they signed up.

[CUxtopher]

for the guy earlier, how can we read all the post, theres 33 pages!

but heres a good question while smartxx is out messeging, they seem to have time to answer one little question, on that has been left unanswered( at least in the first 30 pages of its post)

WTF is cyrpto stealth detection level 1?

yes theres another post, it needs to be cleaned out and restarted! dont miss this one SMARTXX~

[kingal89]

I don't know if we can do this, actually i have no clue about this type of thing. But can't we just edit to code to not check hdd?

[smo]

QUOTE (oz_paulb @ Mar 8 2004, 05:59 AM)

I don't know anything about how Xbox-Live verifies whether/not you're running a modded Xbox, but my *guess* is that, sometime after 'connecting' to the Live service (each and every time you connect), a small binary file is downloaded/executed.

I think you're right about this. However this rises a question: how was this code captured? Isn't all Live traffic encrypted anyway?

[offie_]

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[=METH=]

Didn't you guys got it yet? This whole thing is a hoax, a freakin' joke!
Stop talking and keep playing!

[Troll123]

It's not a hoax, the code is real. But has been there for a long time. My guess is currently MS is using the information to inventory their systems.  Those who think it is a hoax really don't understand assembly then.

[_ionic_]

QUOTE (Troll123 @ Mar 8 2004, 02:59 PM)

It's not a hoax, the code is real. But has been there for a long time. My guess is currently MS is using the information to inventory their systems.  Those who think it is a hoax really don't understand assembly then.

How often must be repeated that it is not there for a long time.

[=METH=]

who cares if the code was there for a long time or not? Has anyone been banned yet? I don't think so...

[MadEye]

Forgot to mention, I have a Matrix (it didn't work well so soldered it yesterday to 1.1 Xbox) which 'Auto-Switches' Off (Open CD Tray while in Game = Off) when booting to MS-Dash (for Live), 120GB Maxtor and I wasn't banned from Live yesterday...

[Heykrop]

QUOTE (cap269 @ Mar 8 2004, 05:30 AM)

Troed, what you say is true. But the name of the function quoted is  XcVerifyPKCS1Signature.  ... Verify Signature ... not something like "send spy data to MS" ... I reiterate it is used for creating/checking online gaming transaction signatures, not hardware identification. The hard drive info could certainly have been added recently, I suppose, but only for the purpose of augmenting the security on the signature keys.

It really doesn't matter what the function is called as long as it's process is to run a specified chunk of code.  That code could be anything that M$ designates. Especially if it is something that is getting dumped to your system at the time of connection with the Live Servers.  Also as for the Verify Signature.   Would it not need to be Verifying the Signature with a know "untampered" value.  Which would most likely reside on their end on the servers?    People seem to forget that just because something is one way doesn't mean it can't change.  

2 examples.  

Off topic example.  Anyone that had a HueCarded Dish receiver a couple years ago will recall "BLACK SUNDAY"   in which a large number of people that were using hacked cards for their receivers found out that they could be bulleted because some smart programmer figured a way to write data to a non writeable section of the HUE cards, rendering them non functional.  Many people said that could never be done and IT WAS.

I seem to recall M$ once saying that the XBOX was impenitrable and would never be hacked.  Well LOOK where we are now.  


One other thing.  I brought up the point, prior, that SMARTXX had stated that there were  something like 1000 users posting on this forum that they had been banned in the last 10 days because of this NEW HDD scan.    I ask.  Where are these supposed 1000 posts?  I did a few searches of the forum for banned users complaining and only came up with MAYBE 3 in the last 30 days that even remotely could be linked to this.  The rest were of the typical "I accidentally connected with the MOD ON"  

This seems to be a verry hot toppic but I have yet to see anyone, other than 1 post way back at the beginning of this thread, stating that they got banned becasue of this.

[The LukeMan]

then you wont get banned for having chip on !