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[zerodefect]

if you look at the dissassembed code where it shows you the check for the hdd serials and also look at older versions of live it provides for the same checks. this isnt a new detection built into the live service. its been done for quite sometime now. as well i beleive this is a marketing ploy for smartxx. also i beleive it is not a very educated one. if this was a serious threat for the scene... wouldnt it be fairly easy to modify the kernal api that does the check to always return a valid serial number? the only way xbox live can get the serial number from the hdd would be to make an api call in kernal mode to get it. it wouldnt be able to directly access the hdd information. since we can modify the bios, we would be able to modify this check. just like cracking any sort of computer programs. im sure it wouldnt be nearly as easy as i am making it sound, and corrent me if im wrong it should be theoretically possible if done by the right people. thats just my 2 cents.

[The LukeMan]

A hoax

[cap269]

[brienj]

Then on their forums they post:

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Proofs: Boys, look to Xbox-scene forums, you find i think 1000 people who had ben locked out of Xbox-live the last 10 days. Yes, this hdd detection code already active since days. And we expect the next funny things soon. (buy a smartxx and you are on the secure side) SmartXX team will present a method for "preventing" this problem the next week(s).

Isn't that convenient they have the "solution"?  It's all a bunch of crap and hopefully it ruins their reputation and they don't make a dime selling their modchip.

It's a shame that they will perpetuate the notion that people are getting banned, even with the modchip turned off.  They will simply use these idiots stories of getting banned to "prove" they are right.  

That's my 2 cents.  

[heinrich]

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wouldnt it be fairly easy to modify the kernal api that does the check to always return a valid serial number? the only way xbox live can get the serial number from the hdd would be to make an api call in kernal mode to get it. it wouldnt be able to directly access the hdd information. since we can modify the bios, we would be able to modify this check.

Only you cant use that modified bios on live.

[The LukeMan]

I support your 2 cents

[heinrich]

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MS has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to tell me that I can not use their online services (THAT I ALSO PAY FOR) because I upgrade my own hardware that I paid for with new hardware that also belongs exclusively to ME.

Its in the TOC, read it again.

[zerodefect]

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Only you cant use that modified bios on live.

dammit. i was just getting ahead of myself and wasnt thinking about the big picture. always need someone to point me the obvious =)

[pROvIs]

Someone has to come forward with info first.  Teh info just came out from them today a few hours ago so of course they are the only ones.  there are probably many members of other teams that haven't seen this thread yet or the anouncment so that is invalid logic to say it discredits the team jsut because they are the only ones to post it yet.  As far as them presending a solution if you look at their forums again they only said they would have a solution because someone asked them if they had a soltution or were working on one.   Give the guys a break they aren't Gods.

[cap269]

QUOTE (heinrich @ Mar 6 2004, 07:53 PM)

QUOTE MS has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to tell me that I can not use their online services (THAT I ALSO PAY FOR) because I upgrade my own hardware that I paid for with new hardware that also belongs exclusively to ME. Its in the TOC, read it again.

yeah, I know about this statement:

Xbox Live may only be accessed with an unmodified, except for MS authorized repairs and upgrades, Xbox video game console.

but I think they are strictly referring to chips. A bigger HD in an Xbox could be construed as a violation of this, but that is really WEAK

[shanafan]

cap269, you are similarily saying that since you own your house, you have the right to do whatever you want inside of it. Which, is untrue because there are laws, just like the terms of service for Xbox Live.

[cap269]

QUOTE (_ionic_ @ Mar 6 2004, 07:55 PM)

cap269: well I am not commenting most of the crap from your post...

Umm, please don't disrespect me and call my post "crap" ... I have not said anything disrepectful to anyone else. If you don't want to read my "crap" then don't .. flames are unnecessary. Thank you.

[shanafan]

QUOTE (_ionic_ @ Mar 6 2004, 08:59 PM)

shanafan: the comparision is wrong. The houseowner is MS.

That was my point..  

[The LukeMan]

This is such a publicity stunt as i can see 4 of us with bigger hd's are on rainbow six 3 right now

[cap269]

The houseowner is MS, and they DO feel they can do whatever they want, and there are laws, which is why they are in court so much, and I still say MY hardware, MY hard drive, and MY money, so no more Live for me. MS can certainly dictate whatever they want, even if it is wrong, and get away with it, because they are who they are.