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[shanafan]

I don't see how this can affect modded Xboxes, especially with X2 4980 out.

[Ces2k3]

i just hope that the x2 bios and block this out also from connecting

[SniperKilla]

maybe they will let us on with backed up games on 3.0... withful thinking

[shanafan]

QUOTE (SniperKilla @ Jan 27 2004, 03:52 PM)

maybe they will let us on with backed up games on 3.0... withful thinking

No wishful thinking from me.. SniperKilla, be aware that if MS let us do this, it will ruin Live because people WILL cheat.

[petegas]

QUOTE (shanafan @ Jan 27 2004, 09:06 PM)

QUOTE (SniperKilla @ Jan 27 2004, 03:52 PM) maybe they will let us on with backed up games on 3.0... withful thinking No wishful thinking from me.. SniperKilla, be aware that if MS let us do this, it will ruin Live because people WILL cheat.

I agree - man finally playing Counterstrike with no cheaters and everyone on a level playing field is so nice.  I hope XBL NEVER allows backups.

I can see it checking your C: drive for unsigned code though - best to keep a backup of C:  and store everything useful on F: as the MS Bios can't see it.

[doubleV69]

you kno wat sucks...people are already cheating on rb6 for live its soooooo incredibly gay there ruining my stats  they sh ould take out hackinng on the xbox live section of x-s

[Ronu]

Any people with a switch, such as myself, should still be fine so what is all the fuss about

[doubleV69]

i dunno if they scan hd or someitn

[shanafan]

QUOTE (doubleV69 @ Feb 8 2004, 09:05 PM)

i dunno if they scan hd or someitn

And.. that is your post? LOL.. struggling to find topics to post in?  

[Xeero]

QUOTE (Ronu @ Feb 7 2004, 07:24 PM)

Any people with a switch, such as myself, should still be fine so what is all the fuss about

Because now it is not only dummy-proof, but it also prevents the Xbox from connecting to Live even when you don't want it to.  That appears to me MS's goal - to make the Xbox be connected to the Live service as long as the power on.  This would present a problem were it not for smo's and Xecuter's work.

[ChicagoRedwing2b]

If I may add my few cents of info here. First off this is my first post here, thanks for a great overall Xbox site, the best I have seen to date.

2nd I work for a very large tech company in Chicago, IL with personal contacts with MS reps and developers, some of which have good friends working on the Xbox development team.

I do not have any ground breaking news, or insider information, MS keeps most of their employees on a tight leesh. But working along side these reps for over 3 years, I do get a few good bits of news on the Xbox.

Basically from what I was told concerning the mod chip community as a whole, MS is aware that the mod chip community is growing, but MS is not prepared to take on the financial burdon that would be required to prevent the use of mod chips as a whole. At this state in the console market, MS is holding itself above water market wise, but due to lackluster sales and lower then expected games licenses, they can not afford to alienate themselves from the mod chip community at this time.

I asked my rep how MS views the mod chip community as a whole, are we seen as a threat, or not? He told me he was not sure, but from the sounds of what the development team at MS Live was saying, it's not the mod chip community that has corupted the Live system.

So I personally do not know what to make if it all, but my opinion is that MS might not be changing the way their Live systems checksum with our Xbox's at this time.

Mod chips are here to stay, and MS knows this I am sure. Rather then fight a lossing battle with the community, MS is willing to turn and look the other way, as long as they know that Live will always require gamers to actually purchase the retail game in order to play on the Live systems. At this point I think MS is willing to see that as an even trade off to the mod chip community.

What do you think?

[The LukeMan]

[Corspegrinder99]

QUOTE (shanafan @ Jan 21 2004, 09:56 PM)

I don't see how this can affect modded Xboxes, especially with X2 4980 out.

i was thinking the same thing

but i wonder if M$ will ever start scanning HDDs?

[valius]

I don't think MS will scan Hdd's

like chicagoredwing2b said they are not interested in catching you out.

MS are happy to take your £40 a year subsciption to live + the fact that you have to buy an original copy of the game.

lets say Ms developed a way to scan for rouge files on your hdd
lets say they cought 10,000 out of over a million users
over here a years subsciption is £40
& the average gamer buys 2 live titles a year = £70
that would be a £110,0000 loss to Ms
not that much out of Bill's pocket but a loss non the less
I'm willing to bet the numbers caught would be a lot greater than 10,000

The checksum is scanned as a means to keep live clean (free from cheaters) & a good way to ensure original games are bought.

I don't think Ms would spend money to develop a way to loose it, talk about shooting yourself in the foot (ouch)

[ChrisF]

QUOTE (ChicagoRedwing2b @ Feb 9 2004, 03:34 PM)

Mod chips are here to stay, and MS knows this I am sure. Rather then fight a lossing battle with the community, MS is willing to turn and look the other way, as long as they know that Live will always require gamers to actually purchase the retail game in order to play on the Live systems. At this point I think MS is willing to see that as an even trade off to the mod chip community. What do you think?

I'm in total agreement.  If MS wanted to hassle the modders they could have easily done it by now.  I think both sides sense there is a mutual balance and respect - sort of a modders don't bite the hand that feeds you thing (if you notice, none of the teams will even remotely consider hacking Live).