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[brienj]

QUOTE (Fofer @ Sep 12 2003, 08:33 AM)

QUOTE (brienj @ Sep 12 2003, 04:21 PM) Like I said, go ahead, dismiss what I say, I know it makes too much sense for anybody to believe it or listen to me.  I think I'll wait a few days for more updates from brienj, at which point I'll either thank him (and buy my first memcard) or laugh at him for being so smug about it.

If I were you I'd buy that memory card, but if you installed the update with an account on the HD, even if you have since deleted the account, idk if it would help you.  

btw, anybody that installed the update with an account on the HD, you won't be able to test, because it seems to remember that you did have an account at one time, so it will still connect to Live at boot if you even delete the account from the HD later.  I tested this on my un-modded Xbox.

It's been about 24 hours, still no ban, so ...

[Mordenkainen]

Oh, I wasn't talking now, I was talking later, when it sees the BB connection and decides to check for an update.

Oh, and a little birdy who lives in Redmond whom I know informed me that every three months or so it WILL do this! Won't matter if you have an account or not. If it sees the connection it will try. I was informed this was an additional slap at the exploits since so many required the live dash, they figured "hey, you have the live dash, so we are gonna keep it up to date, even if you don't use live!". Could be bull, but I trust this particular birdy.

Oh, and the same birdy informed me there are no plans for REQUIRING this dash for any games except "Live aware" games.

Morden.

[Telemachus]

QUOTE (brienj @ Sep 12 2003, 04:21 PM)

QUOTE (Mordenkainen @ Sep 12 2003, 08:12 AM) brienj, Just because you configured it to not Auto-Login doesn't mean it won't TRY to connect. We all know you CAN connect to Live without an account. We don't know what is built into this dash. In a few weeks when the dash does a windowsupdate style check for updates and you get banned you will be very angry. (if this is there!) Who knows what they did, Live is embedded in the core of the dash now, just because you say "Hey don't identify yourself as me" doesn't mean it will never try to connect! uSoft is majorly entering the automated update arena, and trying to keep its users in the dark as far as when and how the updates occur. Don't be surprised if this type of functionality is worked into the dash! Morden. It doesn't try to connect, I have it set my way for over a day now and still no connection is being made to Live with the setup I did.  Of course it will try to connect to Live if you go to the Live tab, but that is no diferent than the old dash and because of this, you can't use the new functions of the new dash, but I would advise against it on modded Xboxes anyway.  On an un-modded Xbox, that's fine, which I also do have an un-modded Xbox and I use it instead. It's pretty funny that the audio exploit solution that won't work if you ever want to play on Live, gets a sticky and the front page here, yet my solution to keep the new dash from automatically connecting to Live isn't. If you install the new update with all Live accounts deleted from your HD, then turn off auto-login, it NEVER tries to connect to Live.  People that say it still connects, either have an account on the HD or have deleted it since, but originally installed the update with the account on the HD, so of course it will try to connect even with auto-login turned off. Like I said, go ahead, dismiss what I say, I know it makes too much sense for anybody to believe it or listen to me.

It just doen't make sense.  That is all.  You make no sense.  How do you install an account straight to the mem card?

Not getting banned is actually an easy solution... just don't have the cable plugged into an outside connection when you play with mod.

The question is, what else is up their sleeves?

[karishbhr]

neone been banned yet, or are we clear... either way I wanted to play on XBL I had to bite the dust sooner or later, I chose sooner

[brienj]

QUOTE (Mordenkainen @ Sep 12 2003, 09:24 AM)

Oh, I wasn't talking now, I was talking later, when it sees the BB connection and decides to check for an update. Oh, and a little birdy who lives in Redmond whom I know informed me that every three months or so it WILL do this! Won't matter if you have an account or not. If it sees the connection it will try. I was informed this was an additional slap at the exploits since so many required the live dash, they figured "hey, you have the live dash, so we are gonna keep it up to date, even if you don't use live!". Could be bull, but I trust this particular birdy. Oh, and the same birdy informed me there are no plans for REQUIRING this dash for any games except "Live aware" games. Morden.

What do you mean, when it sees the BB connection, my Xbox is ALWAYS connected to the internet?

Sure, whatever.  Continue on with the nonsense and pretend I wasn't here, because obviously nobody wants to really be helped and wants to listen to lies and rumors.

[danny6869]

This is a variation on an idea earlier in the thread (by alkaline I believe).  Can a BIOS be created that disables the NIC card completely?  That way, if a modded xbox is booted with the MOD enabled, then there's no way it can connect to XBox LIVE...which means a modded machine would stay safe???

[shanafan]

QUOTE (danny6869 @ Sep 12 2003, 03:36 PM)

This is a variation on an idea earlier in the thread (by alkaline I believe).  Can a BIOS be created that disables the NIC card completely?  That way, if a modded xbox is booted with the MOD enabled, then there's no way it can connect to XBox LIVE...which means a modded machine would stay safe???

I don't think the skills are there to completely disable your NIC. Now, maybe if there was a way to block any ports that Live uses.

However, even if you have a BIOS that disables your NIC, what are you going to do for FTP, XBConnect, etc? People will have to get a modchip that has more than one bank to store a BIOS

[Mechazilla]

Jesus 19 pages in one day.

[Mordenkainen]

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What do you mean, when it sees the BB connection, my Xbox is ALWAYS connected to the internet? Sure, whatever. Continue on with the nonsense and pretend I wasn't here, because obviously nobody wants to really be helped and wants to listen to lies and rumors.

Hey, I never said it was a sure thing, I made it quite clear I got this from someone else, but if you like to take the holier than thou attitude, good for you.

I had some information that MAY be pertinent. If not I'm sorry, if it is, I gave some advanced warning.

Question:
Does YOUR source work for uSoft? Oh yeah, thats right, your source is... YOU!

Mine does, and I was just relaying what I had been told.

I am not discounting your idea, I am trying to keep the info flowing.

As far as:

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What do you mean, when it sees the BB connection, my Xbox is ALWAYS connected to the internet?

Did I not say it was periodic? Not all things check for updates all the time, in fact, this would bog down the XBL network. I'm just saying at intervals it MAY check.

Also, as far as the XBox NOT connecting to XBL at start, there is no need for it to check with XBL itself, it's easy to set up a server off the XBL network to service update checks. There is no need to be logged in. All the thing has to do is send a packet and wait for a response!

Morden.

[RMF]

QUOTE (brienj @ Sep 12 2003, 04:21 PM)

It's pretty funny that the audio exploit solution that won't work if you ever want to play on Live, gets a sticky and the front page here, yet my solution to keep the new dash from automatically connecting to Live isn't.

Awww...he want's his own sticky thread  


Even when you disable auto login the xbox still connects to live. It's not possible for it to connect in the 2 secondsa it's taking right now when i click the live tab after booting with auto login off...and i for one am not about to chance trying it out your way either.

[ackbar9722]

QUOTE (RMF @ Sep 12 2003, 03:50 PM)

QUOTE (brienj @ Sep 12 2003, 04:21 PM) It's pretty funny that the audio exploit solution that won't work if you ever want to play on Live, gets a sticky and the front page here, yet my solution to keep the new dash from automatically connecting to Live isn't. Awww...he want's his own sticky thread   Even when you disable auto login the xbox still connects to live. It's not possible for it to connect in the 2 secondsa it's taking right now when i click the live tab after booting with auto login off...and i for one am not about to chance trying it out your way either.

I'm not saying that either person is right, but perhaps you just believe that it should take longer to connect to Live because you were used to the cheesy intro movie taking so long.  With that no longer being shown, it could be possible that login is much shorter.

[brienj]

QUOTE (RMF @ Sep 12 2003, 01:50 PM)

QUOTE (brienj @ Sep 12 2003, 04:21 PM) It's pretty funny that the audio exploit solution that won't work if you ever want to play on Live, gets a sticky and the front page here, yet my solution to keep the new dash from automatically connecting to Live isn't. Awww...he want's his own sticky thread   Even when you disable auto login the xbox still connects to live. It's not possible for it to connect in the 2 secondsa it's taking right now when i click the live tab after booting with auto login off...and i for one am not about to chance trying it out your way either.

Hey, I'm not giving this info out to get a sticky thread.  I'm trying to help you guys, but nobody wants to listen.  That's cool with me, if you don't want to take my help or advice, don't listen to me.  Just remember who said it first, I doubt the person that gets credited with finding it out will be me.  Just wait and you'll see.  

[Mordenkainen]

It's not that we don't want to listen, it's just a nebulous statement that "THIS WORKS" without some real concrete evidence gets quite a few sideways looks here. We agree that this works for you, so far as anyone can tell, but I for one am not interested what works today, but the long term reliability of this. it would suck to "feel" safe for a week or month and then get the shaft because they HAD planned ahead.

So answer a couple of questions for use to ally our concerns:

1. How do you know it is not connecting to live? Watching for blinking lights, packet sniffer, router logs, lack of error messages?

2. What prompts you to believe that this is the way it will always be? You say you have had it on with no traffic for a while, thats a good start. I assume that you are watching for traffic using the same method as you are using to watch for it connecting. But an hour, or even a day, is no indicatior of the long term behavior of a piece of SW or HW. Some software checks for updates as soon as it starts, others wait days, months, or even check on a yearly basis. A day is just not long enough to tell.

I would love to believe that MS released this dash with no long term planning behind it, but somehow I doubt it. The delay before release is very similar to other things they have done, and in many of those cases the delay was caused by a last minute decision to add update features to the SW.

Morden.

[Ggggunit851]

             

   

[BraveBen]

So, is it COMPLETELY safe to download the xbox live 2.0 with mod chip turned off without getting banned?