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[dkoikadabra]

Seems as if he's been brainwashed by the video game indistry's bullshit. =-)
Look, I'm not a pirate (stated this above), but piracy will almost NEVER hurt a company. Hell, in some cases, it BOOSTS sales.
Check out MS Windows. Out of everyone you know who has it, how many of them obtained it illegally? Probably a little more than half. Does this hurt M$ at all?
Probably not. You see, the ones with the pirated copy, while they didn't contribute any revenue directly, are now 'free advertising'. Most people who get the pirated copy like to brag, so many people get to check out, say, the newest version of Windows XP. Many of them will look at it and say 'Wow! I need to have it now!' and go out and buy it. Anywhere between a quarter to a half of 'em will pirate it.
Kinda convoluted, but you see my point. Besides, it's been proven thousands of times that video games could be sold for about $15 USD and the publishing companies would still get a phat wad of cash.

[ArMaGeDdOn]

QUOTE (HeLiuM @ Dec 31 2002, 12:00 AM)

1) blockbuster bought the game. the game company got money for that game. do you think they care who has it at every moment? no. the problem is when someone buys a game. then rips it, and gives everyone else the game. the game company got $50 for every 3 people with the game.. not enuff to cover production costs 2) if its not worht buying when u apparently have the money, its not worth having. thats like breaking into american eagle, stealing everything, then claiming u did no wrong because you wouldnt have bought it anyway becuz ur not a prep.

fucking bitch.  stealing a shirt causes real loss to a company.  stealing a cd only causes a possible profit loss.  meaning that they don't lose anything because you only stole digital code.  not a cd or other physical items that had money invested in them.  if you steal a tv, the company that paid $200 to make the tv loses that money.  if you steal a $200 software, the company just doesn't make $200.  but they don't lose the $200 because there is no production costs involved in that type of theft.

don't every compare physical theft to non-physical theft.  there is a big difference and you sound like a dumbass when you say it.

[LiMiT-X]

QUOTE (lil killer @ Dec 22 2002, 08:55 AM)

QUOTE (Shdw-Knt @ Dec 22 2002, 12:43 AM) "seems like everyone has moved on" your damn right.. fuck you bootleggers!  You jackass's pirate the games and then want to play them on live??? man you all got your heads on backwards.. and dont fucking reply to this post with this bullshit.. I got the game but I play my backups of it.. blah blah blah.. bullshit....... your not going to waste the dvd to copy a game you already own.. ya know what.. if you want to play on live so bad get another xbox/eeprom and go pay for the game.. the amount of money you have "saved" from "backing up" the other games.. you should have plenty of cash to actully PAY FOR A GAME! I know all you assholes didnt buy your xbox and leave it in the box till the modchips came out.. so fucking quit being cheap ass' and buy your live games.. so some fucking support. SHIT! If ya all dont like my post.. bite me!  Fuck all you pirates! ARRGG  MATEY! ARGG!   Do you need some help? I know a good psychiatrist

do u use him personally?  

[andreo]

I've not seen anyone mention one item that your trying to comment on. Who said that companies didn't deserve to be compensated. I also never said that companies were greedy. I'm sure there's nobody here that wouldn't sell something at an inflated price if the market was willing to pay that price.
But I think if your going to try to make a point or counter what someone has said. Try doing it with an actual comment that was made in the thread.

And I will say again. The programs that I do get, I wouldn't have bought anyway. So I'm not taking food out of anyones mouth. They wouldn't have seen a dime of my money anyway. Is there a moral issue with this? Yeah, sure, could be. But do I cost them money? Nope, not a dime.

[ArMaGeDdOn]

the day that games are $9.99 each, i will buy them.  i honestly wouldn't spend money buying any games other than suikoden and final fantasy.  possibly grand theft auto vice city.  other than that, there are no games i'd be willing to buy.  i only support the games that i like and want them to survive.  i bought all my copies of final fantasy and suikoden 3.  if I like a game, i will buy it to support them.  but i'm not going to pay friggin $50 for a fucking stupid lameass game that i will only play for a few hours.  

here's the thing.  as that guy stated, if we didn't rip games, we wouldn't buy them anyways.  so the only difference in the world what we do makes is that we play something.  it doesn't cost ANYTHING to anyone, including the company.  HOWEVER, because of this, we buy dvd burners, cd burners, and cdr and dvdr discs.  so in the end, this is the breakdown:


i don't buy games.  period:  company doesn't gain anything.  i don't gain anything.  nothing happens in the world.

i pirate games and buy only ones i really like:  a few companies make money.  no one loses money.   dvd/cd burner makers make money.  cdr and dvdr disc makers make money


also, piracy is helping keep the xbox and ps2 alive.  look at the gamecube.  why do you think it's doing bad?  

here's a little bit of how the market works.  game companies make games for the console with the bigger consumer base [that is counted by the number of console sales].  if the gamecube games could be pirated, they'd have a LOT LOT more sales.  when a console has more games/better games, they attract a bigger number of people to buy their consoles.  once all those consoles are sold, they now have an even bigger market share, and the game companies will continue to make more/better games for them.  this cycle continues.  though some will be pirates, more non-pirates will also be added to the pot.  because of the anti-piracy stance that GC had, they are now dying.

please don't argue with me about this shit.

[DaGamePimp]

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[ArMaGeDdOn]

QUOTE (DaGamePimp @ Jan 2 2003, 09:26 AM)

man are some of you really that confused ... this is Economics 101 , nothing new going on here ! the truth is that it does hurt the companies that produce the games because if it was not possible to back-up an Xbox game then more games would be sold at a retail level [ if you try to argue this point then you are digging yourself into a hole and trying to justify your own theft of copy protected material ] . Now the point that has been mentioned about backing up a game that they would never purchase holds true for the individual however this is not the majority that does this . The majority will get the new hot game(s) that they really want but don't wish to pay for , or cannot pay for because they don't have the money - after buying blank dvd-r [ this is a major problem and it hurts the game developers/publishers ] . While some of you may think that the mod is helping sell Xbox units , well you are correct but the actual percentage of sales due to mods does nothing to help M$ or the game developers as those with the intent to mod will not be buying many retail games anyway . So think about what you try to justify as being acceptable for yourself and then think about the way games are spread all over the internet in a matter of minutes and then tell us that no money is lost ... -- DGP -- ___________ Not Directed at anyone here - just my feelings on the issue [ take it as you will ] .

but you see, i would only buy the games i already buy.  nothing else.  honestly.  i have 50 games on my hard drive, and i wouldn't buy ANY of them!  

you're fucking fucking fucking stupid if you don't understand my post!  honestly.  if you think piracy hurts game companies, tell me what happened with the PS2, XBOX, and gamecube.  the one that can't be pirated is losing!  i wonder why....

[please do NOT refer to the dreamcast.  that type of free piracy made people that would normally buy games to just burn them.  that was bad]

in any case, read my post.  if you don't agree with it, then you can FUCK YOURSELF!!!

[ArMaGeDdOn]

QUOTE (DaGamePimp @ Jan 2 2003, 09:26 AM)

man are some of you really that confused ... this is Economics 101 , nothing new going on here ! the truth is that it does hurt the companies that produce the games because if it was not possible to back-up an Xbox game then more games would be sold at a retail level [ if you try to argue this point then you are digging yourself into a hole and trying to justify your own theft of copy protected material ] . Now the point that has been mentioned about backing up a game that they would never purchase holds true for the individual however this is not the majority that does this . The majority will get the new hot game(s) that they really want but don't wish to pay for , or cannot pay for because they don't have the money - after buying blank dvd-r [ this is a major problem and it hurts the game developers/publishers ] . While some of you may think that the mod is helping sell Xbox units , well you are correct but the actual percentage of sales due to mods does nothing to help M$ or the game developers as those with the intent to mod will not be buying many retail games anyway . So think about what you try to justify as being acceptable for yourself and then think about the way games are spread all over the internet in a matter of minutes and then tell us that no money is lost ... -- DGP -- ___________ Not Directed at anyone here - just my feelings on the issue [ take it as you will ] .

and that is why i hate n00bs.   n00bs are apparently people that normally bought games, but found an easy and cheap alternatic:  THE FUCKING MATRIX.

about piracy not helping ms.  here's something to look at, again:

(1)i buy xbox  [loss to MS  because of subsidized sales; profit to retailer]
(2)i buy 2 games [profit to MS and retailer.]
(3)i buy xbox controller [profit to MS and retailer]
(4)i buy xbox live kit[profit to MS and retailer (at this point, me and MS have broken even.  at the least)]
(5)i buy modchip [profit to greedy modchip company (fucking stupid matrix/xodus)]
(6)i buy hard drive[profit to western digital and local retailer]
(7)i buy dvd burner[profit to pioneer and to retailer and to fedex for shipping]
(8)i buy 100 dvd-r's + many more to come[profit to dvd maker and dvd supplier]
(9)i pirate 50 games [profit to local rental store; closer to another dvd purchase]


now.  let's do that same routine if i couldn't/didn't pirate games:

(1)i buy xbox  [loss to MS  because of subsidized sales; profit to retailer]
(2)i buy 2 games [profit to MS and retailer]
(3)i buy xbox controller [profit to MS and retailer]
(4)i buy xbox live kit[profit to MS and retailer (at this point, me and MS have broken even.  at the least)]


and there we go.  the only difference it would make in my case is that so many other companies wouldn't get to profit.  do you see what i mean?

here's another thing to look at:

(1) i buy xbox
(2) game maker sees more xbox consoles sold, so makes game for xbox because of bigger consumer base
(3) consumer sees the bigger selection of games for xbox, and buys one.
(4) again game maker sees more xbox users, and makes more games for xbox
(5) consumer once again sees more games for the xbox and buys an xbox console
(6) game maker realizes bigger potential in xbox game making.

now, i know not 100% of people buy games, but as the # of users grows, the number of regular buyers grows too.  therefore increasing the quality/quantity of games for xbox, and also more profit for MS/game makers.  see what i mean?  i thought so.

hope that helped you all.  but yes.  i understand that a lot of people are coming over to matrix and the xbox because of its simplicity, and i don't like it.  but then again, it's you guys that help them install it!  god i hate matrix for making a no mod chip.

[ArMaGeDdOn]

QUOTE (waz @ Jan 2 2003, 09:56 AM)

why the fuck should you play a game you didn't pay for, what gives you the right to pirate somebody else's damn hard work?  [because not pirating it and pirating it don't change a thing in the world] they buy/rent an office then do the same for their computer systems, then they pay their royalty fee's to all the different companies such as M$ and use of a specific game engine if they don't use their own, then they pay the staff and after the game is made they pay the marketing fee's all so jumped up Little twats can pirate games and sit their all smug and come up with bullshit like "i wouldn't buy them anyway" well good for you don't buy them, let some other mug pay for the game out their own pocket while you play it for free  [are you just proving my point more or what?  it's confusing.  if you understand that i wouldn't but the games anyways, you'll see that i'm not causing a loss to them] i hope one day you own your own business and someone starts ripping it off because lets face it i could walk into your shop and steal whatever i like then when you ask what the hell I'm doing ill simply say "well i wouldn't buy it anyway" [that is a childish attitude.  imagine it this way.  stealing a shirt with a nike logo, or buying a shirt, and writing nike on it.  NOT selling it, because that would be loss of profit for nike, but just keeping it for yourself.  see where i'm coming from?] if you don't think piracy harms companies your living in a fantasy world.  [maybe you should call nintendo up and ask them what they think.  i'm sure you'll be surprised] [one last note:  i'm a computer programmer. i, like all other xbox programmers in the scene believe is something called free software, and many of us even to the point of open-source.  the people that make these programs are putting hard work into it, and they are giving it out for free.  others should learn to do the same.  in any case, read my previous comments, and then shut the fuck up]

LOL.  not this shit again.  as i mentioned one hundred billion dollars.  i mean, what i mentioned many times is that whether i pirate or not it won't affect the game companies.  if i didn't pirate, i wouldn't buy the games anyways.  it's not like i'm stealing their game discs from the store.  i'm making a digital copy of it from a rented disc, or i download it.  i'm not causing them an 'loss'.  and i'm not preventing them from making a profit either, because i wouldn't buy anything from them anyways.

let's see.  i say, FUCK YOURSELF!

cheerio, please lock this thread.  too many stupid idiots replying here.

[ArMaGeDdOn]

QUOTE (rAph @ Jan 2 2003, 11:13 AM)

I sure as hell know that if I could pirate Gamecube games, I would be out buying one faster than arMaGeDdOn can say "GO FUCK YOURSELF!"

 amen brother!

[DaGamePimp]

ArMaGeDdOn , why so defensive !!! Did I use any foul language in my post that was directed towards you [ since you Quoted me and then responded ] - Umm NO ! You are showing your age here man , don't start a flame war that you cannot win and make yourself look foolish in the process , this is just a discussion . You have a right to your opinion but no need to get hostile over it .
-- DGP --

[ArMaGeDdOn]

QUOTE (DaGamePimp @ Jan 2 2003, 08:50 PM)

ArMaGeDdOn , why so defensive !!! Did I use any foul language in my post that was directed towards you [ since you Quoted me and then responded ] - Umm NO ! You are showing your age here man , don't start a flame war that you cannot win and make yourself look foolish in the process , this is just a discussion . You have a right to your opinion but no need to get hostile over it . -- DGP --

my first post was against you.  then i actually read your post and saw that much of it makes sense.  then with that, i made my second post.  i was speaking mostly to people in general anyways.    don't take it too personally.

[kshaikh]

QUOTE (andreo @ Dec 30 2002, 11:35 PM)

You know what. I'll admit that I have games on disk that I didn't buy in the store. I also have a dozen games that I did buy. This goes for every system that I own (and I own almost every system back to the Odyssey²). But I wouldn't have bought ANY of the games that I d/l'ed anyway. So the publishers, MS, Sony, Nintendo (N64 & SNES) wouldn't have made a dime off me anyway. But I did put something back into the retail business. IE: Broadband connection to get all the goodies, DVD Burner, Blank DVD's, Cases, Ect. But the games that I have, I don't even play. Its more of a collection then "oh, I must have that". Because if I did "have to have it" I would just buy it. But if its a lame ass game, (and I've bought plenty of lame ass games *after* trying the demo which made it seem cool, I would try it and then shelve it. Its not much worse then renting. You think Blockbuster is sending a part of that rental fee to the publisher? If you really need help with that answer PM me and I'll tell you. The only difference here is that I don't pay a rental fee. And when I find a rental program that is as good as Netflix, then I may just save my bandwidth and rent the game instead. Is the publisher making any more money from that? Nope, not a dime. I'm I really supporting (insert your favorite company here)? Nope. Doesn't even show up as a blip. So if you were trying to make us "pirates" feel bad, it didn't work on me. You can take your morals or whatever you call them these days and stick them up your "happy hole".

Isn't RedOctane what you are looking for?

Yeah I own all the systems too and bought a second Xbox for Live.  Sad thing is I traded my Xbox to my bro in laws for an unmodded one and I'm waiting for stupid HackersHardware to ship my sTUPID DAMNED CHIP.

But you are right, I buy whatever games I want.  Neway RedOctane.com is the answer to all the games that I don't think are worth buying.

Just rent em.  2 a week.  

Khalid

[feflicker]

I own games that "look" perfect, but no longer work... It doesn't take much to ruin a dvd disc, as the data is so dense. A minor scratch and the final level freezes! Backups are important!

[shanafan]

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I own games that "look" perfect, but no longer work... It doesn't take much to ruin a dvd disc, as the data is so dense. A minor scratch and the final level freezes! Backups are important!

How do you take care of your discs? When I am not playing an original game, I keep the CD enclosed in the case and I never, ever leave a CD in the drive.