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[DaOne]

[ArMaGeDdOn]

QUOTE (Omikron @ Nov 21 2002, 07:49 PM)

QUOTE (ArMaGeDdOn @ Nov 21 2002, 07:41 PM) so, hey, omikron, you're saying that you just remove the eeprom and you don't get banned anymore? this is quite amusing.  though if it works like this, it could be detected, i don't think MS would do anything since they just want to stop modchip users. no?  anyways.  sounds cool.  opjose, can you verify? Urge...to..kill...rising... Please read before posting.  I am talking about SWITCHING BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT EEPROMs, *NOT* just ripping it out.  Read some more posts, read some FAQs, and learn.

                                    i made that comment because i read what you wrote earlier saying it worked after you "desoldered" the eeprom chip.  so from that, i thought you meant you took it out.

[ArMaGeDdOn]

QUOTE (DaOne @ Nov 21 2002, 07:49 PM)

ArMaGeDdOn, this is way over your head man sorry. Wait for a tutorial to be made on this.

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[DaOne]

ArMaGeDdOn, I wasent trying to be rude. I just dont want you destroying your xbox.

[ArMaGeDdOn]

oh.  haha.  don't worry.  i'm not that big into this xbox shit yet since i've had mine for half a month now, but i know my way around electronics to an extent.

i'm sure that i won't wreck my xbox just because i burnt my matrix modchip.  haha.  it's not my fault that the spacer they gave dug into the board and made contact with the tracer line on the edge of the chip near the screw.  haha.  anyways.  i fixed it up.  just part of the wiring had to be redone.

so, yeah, uhmm...anyways.  i won't wreck my xbox.

[ArMaGeDdOn]

nah.  i never bashed your method.  i was tellin that guy not to listen to your response to his question about getting banned.  you were reporting falsely how detection took place, and i was worried he'd get banned.

i never ever criticized your method.

[opjose]

Ah, good, everyone is playing nice then.

It's so easy to lose sight when there is no feedback in messages.

Anyway this is rather constructive.

The only problem would be fixing the bogus EEPROM so that it could use the same hard drive as the good one.

But it's a very good solution!

Another "hacker" special, simple elegant, and overlooked by M-icrosoft!!!!
Brilliant!

[DaOne]

Omikron, if you would like I can patch the HD key into an invalid rom I just need the valid eeprom.bin If your interested u know where u can find me.

[opjose]

QUOTE (Omikron @ Nov 21 2002, 09:20 PM)

Although I do not have enough programming experience, it may be possible to hard code the HD key into the modded BIOS.  Then, you could could force it to use the correct key when booting up the mod and the new EEPROM.  In addition, it then also may be possible to change this hardcoded key a-la-fanCbox style.

                                    Heh, I can't think why this wouldn't work as well.

Jeez are there really this many weaknesses in the XBLive security?

Or is it that MS just overlooked that we would have access to all of this?

[DaOne]

Nope is just some people are good with encription. If its locked there is always a key. Some just leave it under the doormat.

[Omikron]

QUOTE (opjose @ Nov 21 2002, 10:14 PM)

QUOTE (Omikron @ Nov 21 2002, 09:20 PM) Although I do not have enough programming experience, it may be possible to hard code the HD key into the modded BIOS.  Then, you could could force it to use the correct key when booting up the mod and the new EEPROM.  In addition, it then also may be possible to change this hardcoded key a-la-fanCbox style. Heh, I can't think why this wouldn't work as well. Jeez are there really this many weaknesses in the XBLive security? Or is it that MS just overlooked that we would have access to all of this?

                                    As I said, I'm a fucking genius.

Anyway, I'm building a little prototype PCB that interfaces with my PC-BioXX chip that has two EEPROM chips on it.  One valid, one not.  I'll try to install it tonite and i'll post the results here.

[Omikron]

QUOTE (justinjas @ Nov 21 2002, 11:24 PM)

I like this method a lot, and if it works it seems to be the best setup for me as I don't feel like adding a second hard drive to my system to switch back and forth.  Anyways I do have two questions as to how will this be setup.  Would it be similar to a modchip where we would just solder the second eeprom to test points on the mother board, then bootup, switch it on and flash it from the xbox.  If so this seems fairly simple. Another question I have though, is I've heard people say that xbl or the xbox dash set a bit somewhere in the xbox that tells xbl its modded.  What if this information was stored on the harddrive and instead of keeping the eeprom info (such as the serial, mac, and online key) to report it, it simply reports once you connect (and have your good eeprom loaded up) that you are modded and then takes down the info from your "good" eeprom.  Wouldn't this then ban your unbanned eeprom. Maybe I'm not thinking about the reporting properly or don't know all the facts, but I figured I would throw this out there and see what you guys think.  Great job though with coming up with an alternate method, I hope it works.

                                    If this were true then people that switch hard drives would have been banned by now.  I'm really busy or else I'd go more in depth.  I'm sure opjose can comment on this.

[justinjas]

I just thought of something else.  Not to discourage you or anything but if you check out Undeads thread on changing the serial, mac, online key, and hd key, they have basically concluded that the hd key plays a role in getting on to xbox live.  This means that if you have two eeproms both will have to have the same hd key to work with the same hd and therefore both can be banned.

On the other hand, you did mention a bios hack that would allow the hdkey to be hardcoded in to the bios so that would work but I think you'll be forced to take that route over just coding the same hd key into both eeproms.

[Omikron]

QUOTE (justinjas @ Nov 22 2002, 03:42 AM)

I just thought of something else.  Not to discourage you or anything but if you check out Undeads thread on changing the serial, mac, online key, and hd key, they have basically concluded that the hd key plays a role in getting on to xbox live.  This means that if you have two eeproms both will have to have the same hd key to work with the same hd and therefore both can be banned. On the other hand, you did mention a bios hack that would allow the hdkey to be hardcoded in to the bios so that would work but I think you'll be forced to take that route over just coding the same hd key into both eeproms.

                                    I know.  But thanks for the update.  I think however, that if if the BIOS can be coded to load different dashboards, or even ignore unlocked hard drives, then it should also be easily possible to hardcode a HD key and have it changed a-la-fanCbox style.  I'm working on the dual EEPROM prototype PCB now and it should be done soon.  Once I get it working with two separate drives, the next step will be kernel implimentation.

[Omikron]

Alright first off, I'm going back home for Thanksgiving break and I'm leaving all my xbox hardware and peripherals at college.  This means the project will be on hold for a good week until i get back.  However, I *CAN* tell you that preliminary tests with two hard disk drives and two EEPROMs have proven successful.  I am almost done designing my custom PCB and I will post pictures sometime early December.