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QUOTE (Marmite @ Jan 30 2003, 02:33 AM)

ARROWED!!!

OOOW, My skin!

PUNT!

Dag, yo.

[smokeingit]

QUOTE (Lowen Na @ Jan 30 2003, 09:54 PM)

You really are an idiot.   I know that a PC can not go on Live. A pc doesn't have to go on live.  The PC would log on the the live servers posing as an Xbox for the perpose of validating the generated eeprom.  It doesn't "go on live" to play games or anything else, it just connects to the live validation server to test the eeprom. I don't know why I am even wasting my time here, this board has the highest consentration of dumbasses I have ever seen save for the IGN forums.

How am i the Idiot? your the damn ass that cant buy a clue... only way to test a Vaild eeprom is by a non modded XBOX STUPID!!! do you get it yet? This is as bad as ISONEWS, n00bs all over the place here.

[Zzzen]

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Assuming an eprom generator (and tester) is possible, once a lot of unmodded xboxes get banned b/c they are unlucky to have their key generated and then banned, MS will have to unban everyone b/c they can't tell who's who.  So, because you fucked up, you want to get someone else banned?

Let's say it, an eeprom i a suite of numbers, it' s generated relating the hardware in your Xbox, this number is unique. Let's say to make for our example 64 bits....I doubt that MS makes such a low ID, so but for our example, just take it so that's make it simple...

Ok, a 64 bits key makes 2ex64 possibilities, make the calcul yourself, 64*63*62*61* until 1.

That's make billions and billions of possibilities....so you have a chance over billions to get the same eeprom number as somebody else.

So the whole point of my explanation is that, for me, if an eeprom would (ever) been cracked or generated, I would say that you friend which has an valid xbox eeprom would ever been banned because of you....that's make sense no ?....unless MS sells billions of Xbox, which I doubt it  

I think that Lowen Na, makes an interesting point here, as everybody knows, nothing is imposible, it would be difficult of course. I am pretty sure to crack the eeprom than the MS keys, but then, nothing is impossible, you know what, nothing is protected 100% sure...it's just a question of time as you know what I mean...

People like all the forbidden thing isn't, it's challenging somehow to break it, just for fun sometimes...it's like a 10 years old kid, we forbid him to watch porno movies, and so, he will attempt to watch it...

Then it will just lead to the old question of morality, should I or should I not get a pirated games and go on live, I think that debate will ever get a winner. There are pros and cons...

So I think that No, this topic is not a joke, it' s an interesting point that Lowen make it here, it's very much related to Piracy and cracking but still....

[No_Name]

QUOTE (gainpresence @ Jan 31 2003, 01:53 AM)

QUOTE (No_Name @ Jan 30 2003, 10:17 AM) etc etc etc... I think I know who you are "No Name".

O PM me then.

[Lowen Na]

QUOTE (gainpresence @ Jan 30 2003, 10:37 PM)

Think about this.. You connect to live on your PC with a VALID eeprom.. The server sees that your PC is not an XBOX (not the same bios, etc). THE NEW VALID EEPROM GETS BANNED.. If you run this never to be invented software on an XBOX, the VALID eeprom gets banned because the mod would have to be on for it to work at all. Simple logic.

I am not talking about just telneting in to Live or connecting with a some "off the shelf" program.  I am talking about making a program that simulates an Xbox's TCP/IP connection protocols.  Live would not be able to tell that it was a PC doing it.

Laymans terms:  The PC program pretends to be an Xbox.

[gainpresence]

QUOTE (Lowen Na @ Jan 31 2003, 12:23 PM)

QUOTE (gainpresence @ Jan 30 2003, 10:37 PM) Think about this.. You connect to live on your PC with a VALID eeprom.. The server sees that your PC is not an XBOX (not the same bios, etc). THE NEW VALID EEPROM GETS BANNED.. If you run this never to be invented software on an XBOX, the VALID eeprom gets banned because the mod would have to be on for it to work at all. Simple logic. I am not talking about just telneting in to Live or connecting with a some "off the shelf" program.  I am talking about making a program that simulates an Xbox's TCP/IP connection protocols.  Live would not be able to tell that it was a PC doing it. Laymans terms:  The PC program pretends to be an Xbox.

But it would CRC (or whatever) check the BIOS. If it can't find it (architecture is different) or if the BIOS is different in anyway from the Xbox's BIOS. Then the new eeprom gets banned.

[darylzero]

WHO GIVES A SHIT?  
This thread should be locked.  If someone wants to try and do this nonsense, go do it.  Stop talking about it until you get it to work.

[ChocoboLee]

QUOTE (gainpresence @ Jan 31 2003, 07:16 PM)

But it would CRC (or whatever) check the BIOS. If it can't find it (architecture is different) or if the BIOS is different in anyway from the Xbox's BIOS. Then the new eeprom gets banned.

As long as the protocol is figured out, this can be done. Who do you think does the CRC check on the bios? Code on Xbox Live servers, or code on the Xbox? Of course it's code on your Xbox. So when lives asks for the CRC checksum of the bios, all the PC program has to do it just return the correct checksum.

Of course, once we figure out the protocol, MS can easily change it by updating the xboxdash.xbe. Then we will be back at square one! So in some sense, this might not be worth doing. But it's an interesting topic... to me at least.

I don't know why people are getting so mad about us talking about this. I am, for one, not trying to do this so that I can play backup games on Live. I just want to be able to revive my Xbox so that I can play Live with bought games and still do XBMP and emulators on my Xbox.

[ChocoboLee]

QUOTE (darylzero @ Jan 31 2003, 07:22 PM)

WHO GIVES A SHIT?   This thread should be locked.  If someone wants to try and do this nonsense, go do it.  Stop talking about it until you get it to work.

Jeez, isn't this forum here for people to discuss these things?

[Lowen Na]

QUOTE (ChocoboLee @ Jan 31 2003, 08:43 PM)

Jeez, isn't this forum here for people to discuss these things?

you must be thinking of some other forum

[allstart]

[astrophong]

This is not entirely possible, but it's possible you'll prolly win the lottery more than once before you can generate enough valid information before you actually can connect to live.

Firstly, you don't generate an EEPROM unless your on star trek and got one of those holodecks.  The EEPROM is a physical component.

The XBox live relevant information stored in it are the serial number, which some people did make a generator for a while back, the online key, and the Unique HDD Key (not to be confused with the hard disk serial number).

This is defiantly more complicated than generating a valid CS or BF2 key.

You need to generate 3 keys now.  I don't know how M$ does their banning checks, but I'm sure when M$ generates their set of keys they have a system that logs those relevant keys that are stored in a data base used for authentication.

Now lets say that they pair the hdd key with the online key, now your talking about possible random pairings.  How would you account for that?  If you were to test each combination generated, it would take more time than it is worth (especially since you can purchase a key for $10).

That is if you could us a PC to connect to the XBL system for verification.  Now your trying to figure out more than just error codes, which we don't know really a whole lot about anyways.  Now you are looking blindly at understanding the protocol and commands sent back and forth between the Xbox and XBL servers (which are most likely encrypted).

As for the examples of kia or xbconnect, they are just tunneling software that tricks your Xbox into thinking that it is on a LAN (VPN may do the same trick).  If you understand how a bridge works or used Kali, you'll get the idea.  XBL is much more sophisticated than kia and xbconnect, and, for the most part, no way similar.  It's like comparing DirectX with mspaint, they both can draw pretty lines but DirectX is a tad bit more.

And the Windows XP key generator example, it is generating a key offline and some will provide a "crack" to bypass the online verification.  If you don't believe me and are running a hacked copy of windows, shame on you, then just run the 'windows genuine advantage' and see what happens.  It’s not impossible to do as it was suggested and do a brute force method, verifying each generated key.  Again this would take a long time and a lot of attempts that M$ could either deny after so many tries or keep a log of (food for thought).

The real reason no one has made this magic “eeprom” generator is because its just not realistic.
 
So as it was said before this thread is a joke, it just requires common sense to actually understand why.

[lordvader129]

i agree with astrophong, an eeprom generator would be WAY different than an XP keygen

the xp keygen is to fool an offline installer which verifies keys based on an algorithm, im willing to be dollars to donuts that xbox Live (online verification) checks the eeprom against a list of known valid eeproms, and if its not there, ban city (for your eeprom and HD)

while soemthing like this may work for being able to boot without a valid eeprom, or allow it to play on xlink of xbc it will not work for Live, and with banned eeproms being readily available and free (and able to sued offline and on xlink) who needs to put all the time and effort into something like this?






just to clarify: when i say "eeprom" i am referring to the serial data stored on the eeprom chip generally called the "eeprom" so dont bother pointing out to me what an eeprom really is, i know what it is

[Safrole]

Hey Lowen Na,

I understand what you think is feasible, that you have your PC as an impostor trying to find "valid keys".  I would find it a bit interesting too, but only as casual reading since I don't care too much about Live.

The reason these people attack you (I think) is the same reason that no one has attempted such a thing.  It goes to motive.  People who desire this are 99% of the time looking for an easy way out of their predicament, regretful of having been banned because of their own mistake.  It's a "joke" because they feel you got what you deserved.  The charge of "you dumbass" is almost too predictable when you consider it in that light.

I think the only way for you to avoid ridicule pushing this idea is to garner interest in it outside of your redemption. (and GOOD LUCK with that)  Shame on them for being mean, heh heh...

[ExMachina08]

Ok this is why I think it wouldn't work and why it really needs to. First of all you people are talking about the eeprom as if it where nothing more than a name randomly generated by M$. It's not just a name it is also a key. The key to the HDD of your xbox. I recently soft modded my friends xbox. (he was kinda a noob) he pretty much tried to "uninstall" the softmod by deleting all the files in the c: drive (including the eeprom). without his specific eeprom his xbox would not accept the hard drive and it crashed. I tried using xboxhdm with my eeprom and it wouldn't work because I didn't have the right key. So I think that an eeprom recovery tool would be more appropriate than a gen just for people who got banned due to some stupid mistake. I think that M$ has the right to ban those who get caught performing such blatently illegal acts, but a tool to recover or modify the eeprom so one cool recover the hd keys would be amazingly helpful to those to teach the noobs.