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[hucka]

[El-Bandido]

So if you don't have xbl installed there are no problems
and if i click the live menu it will ask to update instead of autoupdate?


yea yea im newbie and stuff

thanks

[Ace25]

Why are you brining up old topics again? This is not of much use anymore now since they have F boot bios's, searching for evoxdash.xbe, etc.. I click the update button all the time, does hurt anything as long as you have xboxdash.xbe the original MS dash..

[fallchild1597]

helpp.....my bro clicked xbox live in a game....i use evoX and i have my games on a bigger HD ...and by him clickin xbox live it erased evoX ..and i try puttin it on a cd to fix everythin and no cd's seem to load cept real ones......this is kinda the same subject as this thread i guess.....but someone pleasee help ive posted everywhere and asked everyone...and no one can help.....

[hucka]

[Fuzzy]

QUOTE (hucka @ Feb 11 2003, 08:55 AM)

OK, unfortunately, I still haven't gotten a valid answer, sorry about the repetition, but here's the deal: -I don't plan on playing LIVE..... -when I rip originals to the HD, should I just delete UPDATE.XBE from the game, will it still run ok? -I noticed in Spliner Cell the option to download new levels wasn't selectable.  Does that mean that as long as I don't have live installed, or a connection to my XBOX, such options will not be available.... -I'm too much of a noob to try and mess with flasing or changing files, so what's the safest way to play this??? Please reply

-Ok good for you
-no deleting that wont hurt the game
-correct
-play what?

[hucka]

QUOTE (Fuzzy @ Feb 11 2003, 08:35 PM)

QUOTE (hucka @ Feb 11 2003, 08:55 AM) OK, unfortunately, I still haven't gotten a valid answer, sorry about the repetition, but here's the deal: -I don't plan on playing LIVE..... -when I rip originals to the HD, should I just delete UPDATE.XBE from the game, will it still run ok? -I noticed in Spliner Cell the option to download new levels wasn't selectable.  Does that mean that as long as I don't have live installed, or a connection to my XBOX, such options will not be available.... -I'm too much of a noob to try and mess with flasing or changing files, so what's the safest way to play this??? Please reply -Ok good for you -no deleting that wont hurt the game -correct -play what?

thanx for the reply.....did a little deleting yesterday....

deleted these files:
Update.xbe
dashupdate.xbe
downloader.xbe

and various language & demo dirs that I didn't need.....

all works well....

[hucka]

I promise this will be my last question

[opjose]

Got your attention yet?

Good!

If you are going to install the new Xbox live it is a very good idea to do the following.

1 - Before you install the new Update disk, backup C: again
2 - Rename the default dashboard back to xboxdash.xbe and reboot.
    Check that it works.
3 - With the original dashboard, working insert or boot the new Xboxlive disk.
4 - After the update, turn off the machine and backup C: yet again to another folder.
5 - Now boot the Evolution-X dash from a CD and rename the files back to how you had them.

Now here is the important part.

Unless you have backed up C:\ like I said above, under no circumstance reboot the XboxLive update disk with the games on it!

LET ME REPEAT.

DO NOT let the Xbox Live disk boot up in your machine again!


If you do it will NUKE the MS Xbox Live dash after producing a cryptic not able to update error.

Even if you rename the MS dashboard back it back it will no longer work.

YOUR only recourse is to restore from a backup of your ENTIRE C:\ partition.

I've tried this several times with identical results.

If you want to play the games on the CD, YOU MUST copy the individual games to the hard drive and run them from there. You must not copy over the top level default.xbe file which will recreate the problem again!

The new Xbox Live games which are now out also attempt to perform an update if you accidentally or purposely hit "New Account". This creates exactly the same situation.

An friend, compatriot, sibling or relative make do you the favor of nuking your machine.

Note: If you have a flash upgradeable mod, switch to a ybox dash mod or an EvoX one.

These mod chips invoke a file called yboxdash.xbe instead of xboxdash.xbe.

In turn this means that you can leave the updated xboxdash.xbe as is, using it's proper name. Doing this prevents the "nuking" as the updaters merely see what they are expecting.

However if you have an older machine it is very important that you avoid letting any "updaters" run, including the Xbox Live setup disk or anyone accidentally hit the "New Account" entry on Live enabled games.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE backup your C: & E: partitions before and after the updates just to be sure that you have everything SAFE!

[opjose]

Yes.

If you let the Xbox like disk boot up again it will PURPOSELY clobber the RENAMED msxboxdash.xbe file.

Even restoring a backup doesn't work as some other files seem also to be affected. I've tried just restoring the msxboxdash.xbe. Doesn't work.

I've tried restoring a known good one and renaming it to xboxdash.xbe, etc. all result in error 20 if the Live disk has been allowed to boot.

Some other files are being affected as well though I don't know which ones yet.

You MUST restore from a backup at this point.

Should some people not know this and not have a good backup, they may end up a non-working Xbox as a result.

Once you have performed the update and renamed the files you can use EvolutionX and even invoke the modified dash provided you haven't let the new Live disk boot again.

This means that in order to play the games, you need to copy them to the hard drive from their respective folders.

This could be MS's first minor broadside to Evolution-X, I doubt it was accidental though who knows.

[Flowzarus]

One of the many reasons I haven't f'ed with my original Xbox drive and use that for Live.

Great info though Opjose...thanks for the heads up

[opjose]

QUOTE (N00bvin @ Oct 11 2002, 12:53 AM)

My fear is that LIVE will do periodic updates once you log in, and we'll be side-stepping M$ constantly... punch-jab-duck... WILL LIVE be updating Xboxi this way?  Or will the updates only come out as disks as this time? It may turn into a big cat-and-mouse game... I believe this was NOT accidently as you put it opjose... Also, how does this affect the yboxdash ?  I have never tried it that way, myself, and am interested if it would be a better option... Since I'm NOT a beta-tester and I'm a "hands on" type guy, I really don't know how this would work... Great job opjose... AS ALWAYS!!!

                                    yboxdash is not affected.

BTW: You can preven the games from "nuking" your Xbox by removing the UPDATE.XBE file from them.

This way they will not attempt to perform the dashboard update no matter what.

What is very disturbing is that once the damage is done, even replacing the original MSDash doesn't work.

Something else is being changed by this process.

[opjose]

Some more info:

After you have updated your dash and restored evolution X, you can eliminate that annoying Xbox Live startup animation.

In my view it has no place integrated into the dashboard like that. When you click the Xbox Live tab you should drop right into the XBL control panel without this annoying mess...

Anyway, go into the /C/xodash/media/ folder and look for a file called live.xmv.

Rename it or delete it.

That's it, no more annoying video loop.

[opjose]

The CD looks for the xboxdash.xbe file and screws around if it is not the right version.

So if you are using a ybox bios and have the updated dash by it's original name, xboxdash.xbe... nothing happens with the Xbox live CD, nor any of the other XbLive cd game based updates (like NBA2k3, etc.)

The problems happen when the xboxdash.xbe is not the "authentic" MS one. Then your drive gets trashed.

Apparently the NBA2k3 "updater" does exactly the same thing when you go into "New ACCOUNT" on it's Xbox Live section... Not good.

Ultimately the ybox bios is far safer in this reguard. Short of that you have to be careful that non of the disks attempt to re-apply the update.

The new Xbox live tries to every time it is booted, if it doesn't find an "authentic" dash on C:\ called xboxdash.xbe.

This is what causes the trouble.

[opjose]

Good questions!

1  Correct, as long as the update routine sees the xboxdash.xbe to be what it expects everything is ok.

2  No no difference.

There IS a difference if you launch the updated dashboard from Evolution-X though.

About 1/2 the time the new XboxDash will produce strange "streams" on the screen. These are yellow, eh, "beams of light" emanating from the tabs. Very weird.

If you exit to the live dashboard and return they disappear. These may be a "beta" status artifact though.

3 No when you apply the hack, the dashboard is updated again. There must be a CRC check being run against the dash to see if the update went ok. However in this case the results are not as fatal. You merely get updated again and loose the progressive scan hack.