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[djohng]

[Col.Havoc]

If I run the game of my HDD, and wanted to update my dashboard, can I run the update from my HDD or do I have to burn it to cd?( the game that is)

[opjose]

QUOTE (djohng @ Oct 18 2002, 07:19 PM)

MS isn't screwing with anyone...god... everyone is going crazy on this topic...I spent some time last night reviewing what gets changed...this is what happens. 1)  The c drive has many files related to the dashboard components...(ie. fonts, screens, data,etc.)  During the xbox live update, all of these files are copied to 2 other directories - FONT and something like XBOX.DASHBOARD.10020007...not sure the exact name, since I'm at work writing this. (These directories are erased first if they ALREADY exist, then are re-created) 2) Xonline directory is created and Live files are put here. 3) A new dashboard file is copied in the root. ==== 1) The live update is looking for a given XBE file size, the new(est) Live version (1.6M).  If it doesn't find this file, it assumes the XBOX requires updating.  Then it goes through items 1-3 above.   2) If you already updated, and have the EVOX.xbe in the root as xboxdash.xbe instead of the 1.6M file, it assumes it needs updated and completes 1-3 above, but since there are no extra files from the original drive, it deletes the xbox.dashboard.1002007 and the font directory....then your screwed! This is whats going on.  MS isn't doing anything strange because you have hacked your xbox.  They're following a very simple update structure and process, so as not to screw anything up.  Keeps it simple, otherwise they would end up with a number of xboxes in warranty claims.

This makes perfect sense and no one is saying it's wrong.

I commented that I thought that this was the case myself but I did not have the time to explore exactly which other files were being affected.

The bottom line though is once the dash IS screwed, they still need to go back to a backup.

So for all intents and purposes the dashboard get's NUKED by the update as I outlined.

I also posted that I though that this was done either purely by accident or was a semi willful oversight.

Bill: "Fred, this may screw the modders who replaced their dashboard"
Fred: "Screw'em if they can't take a joke!"

Heh.

So don't diminish the severity, as it's still exactly the same end result especially for the newbie who never bothers to back up their drive.

A tiny bit of willful overstatement may save a few people on this.

One last note:

I highly suspect that they WILL end up with a lot of warrenty claims.

The Xbox has a hard time reading even MS's own disks.

A botched install because the xbe files containing the updates could not be fully read during the installation or unpacking will mean legions of returned machines.

This is already being reported in the Live Beta Forums.

[warbeast]

its not that hard to understand it  looks at your xboxdash first to c if u already have xbox live update
some people r saying just rename your xbox dash back while you  update
no no no this will not work because after u put evolution back as xboxdash the next time u try to use a game on live it WILL fuck up as it looks at your xboxdash every time u run a xbox live game  not just the first time u update only way is to use yboxdash or put on cdrw u can not have evolution as xboxdash when u use live

also 2 all you that have pal if u havint seen my post

do not update with a ntsc game ntsc is a usa game and
 if u r in uk wait till its out in uk

[bagel5009]

[Col.Havoc]

Rename everything back to the original file names. Now, when you turn on your xbox, you should get the original MS dash.

Boot evox from CD with the proper ip settings.
Make a backup of your C: and E: and save it on your computer
Load a game with the live update on it.
As soon as you are done updating your dash (SUCCESSFULLY!!!) reboot your xbox and make sure everythign works right.
Reboot back to evox on cd-rw
Use evox from cd-rw to avoid MS updating your dashboard randomly, one random update and your nuked.

[caml]

QUOTE (Col.Havoc @ Oct 21 2002, 02:16 AM)

Rename everything back to the original file names. Now, when you turn on your xbox, you should get the original MS dash. Boot evox from CD with the proper ip settings. Make a backup of your C: and E: and save it on your computer Load a game with the live update on it. As soon as you are done updating your dash (SUCCESSFULLY!!!) reboot your xbox and make sure everythign works right. Reboot back to evox on cd-rw Use evox from cd-rw to avoid MS updating your dashboard randomly, one random update and your nuked.

                                    thx col.  Thats exactly what I thought.  Wish I would have bought a programmable chip!!!!!

[bearauto]

QUOTE (Kickace1616 @ Oct 21 2002, 02:36 AM)

i don't think anyone has brought this problem up. Everyone else is having problems if they had evox renamed to xboxdash.xbe & tried to update. I booted from evoxdash.xbe & never touched or renamed the original xboxdash.xbe. My problem had the same resluts (dash wasn't loading & getting a xbox needs service error) but i never renamed my evox dashboard to xboxdash.xbe. here is what happened & how I fixed it. I thought i could i update my xbox dash with Unreal since i booted from the evoxdash.xbe & i never changed my original dashboard but i was wrong & the update messed up my xbox. everytime i tried to boot from my original bios (openxbox) it sais your xbox needs service. i didn't know what was wrong because i had the original dahsboard in there & it was never renamed. i was still able to go to evox since evoxdash.xbe was never deleted or changed, i could even still go to MS Dashboard when i clicked MS Dashboard in evox & it had the xbox live menu item in there but everytime i try to run the orignial bios, i got the error message. I was also still able to connect  to the xbox over ftp even though the news on the home page said that it wouldn't let you connect to ur xbox if you updated ur dash with Unreal cause it changed the NIC data . here is how i fixed it: I didn't have a backup of my C: drive or xbox dash cause i didn't think i woudl need it cause i never touched my xbox dash. Opjose told me to download another dashboard from somewhere & i did & i tried to just replace the xboxdash.xbe file in the C: drive but it still wouldn't work.  I thoght the reason the new dahsboard i downloaded didn't work was because i didn't have all the files from the xboxdashdata.10027100 folder in the main directory C: like they were before i updated so i moved them in there & tried to boot again & it still didn't work. Then i deleted the Xodash folder & left all the files from the xboxdashdata.10027100 folder in the main directory C: & i deleted that folder & then i reupdated. IT WORKED. I don't know why it worked or why It had the problem in the first place. Hopefully this will help someone with the same problem. i would still like to know why it even happened since i booted from evoxdash.xbe & left my original dashboard & everything else untouched??

                                    Very fascinating...you were nuked even though you didn't touch xboxdash.  

I wonder if having the ybox will end up with the same result...

[KeyserSoze]

Few more inexperience questions:

This issue will only affect those who has EvoX dashboard install, am I correct?

So, the people who doesn't have EvoX dashboard install (just a modchip to boot "backup" games), they will not be affected right?

I have a Xodus modchip flashed with "256k.Evx2.5.colormod.err.bin" BIOS and I do not have the EvoX dashboard install, nor am I intend to install it because I have no desire to run homebrewed software or replacing the HD.  I just want the Xbox to boot my "backup" DVD.  With that said, I and people like me, will not be affected even if I let the live cd update my original and unmodified dashboard?

[Asterix]

Well, I still don't have a backup of my C-drive. Things seem to work pretty well now, but I am still not able to launch the MS-Dash. When I try to launch it from EvoX it just crash on me.

I need all the files from the c-drive. I have been told that I will need the files from a Xbox that is running the same kernel version as my Xbox - 1.00.4034.01. Is this correct? My problem is that there seem to be no way of getting these files. I have been asking around on IRC, but noone seem to be willing to help me out.

1. Does anyone know if it is sufficient to restore the files from the c:\xboxdashdata directory?

2. If this is not possible, where would u suggest that I look for the files I need?

[schumy]

 but why the xbox hangs if i have the original xboxdash.xbe?
sorry for my english

[dr_pat]

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hi to all i have a pal xbox and i have a evox installed on hd then i replaced mi c: with original backup c: then i try to update with splinter cell beta it's seems that the update was succesfull finished because there the message updated completed starting xboxlive but the xbox i think hang's there then i reboot but at the boot screen the xbox hangs without any error messages and when i try to start the xboxdash original with cd of evox it's also hang why? it's because i have a pal xbox? now i fixed it with the backup c: laugh.gif but why the xbox hangs if i have the original xboxdash.xbe? sorry for my english rolleyes.gif

Coz splinter cell leaked preview is an NTSC game and your original dashboard is PAL ....result will be the nuking of your dashboard....I'm well aware of this, coz splinter cell nuked my PAL xbox!!!
Don't try to update a PAL xbox with an NTSC game....result will be a nuked xbox even if it is an unmodified dashboard!!!

[warbeast]

i did start a post on ntsc c drive update on pal  didint u c it i also emailed
xbox-scene to ask them to put it on there site to let pal users know but i dont think they care about as

if u updated c with ntsc it should still work if u have mod on inless
u also had evolution as xboxdash as xbox will play imports with mod that

note if u update a pal xbox with ntsc on a 120g hdd its ok as u need mod on anyway and it works ok with mod on

BUT i would still wait for pal live update

[Judge]

Wow, this is a great thread, so much info to digest. Just one question, or confirmation, I have a Xtender chip (so no bios upgrade without it being a pain in the arse) and have no need to use 'xbox live'. I only have dial up, so too slow, and not interested in it anyway. But I want to play Splinter Cell, but I'll back it up first and remove the update.xbe and that should be ok. It doesn't update the dash when you play the original does it, or does it give you the option to update during the game? Live in Australia, so I have a while before it comes out. Please help. Thanks

[opjose]

Xtract the ISO and remove the Update.xbe file then reburn.

It will be XBLive "proof" then.