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SHUT UP, lol

[TheIrishLad]

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 3 2006, 11:37 PM)

LOL!! Dude you can't argue with facts. That came straight from the Bungie website. I'm not a snail you ostrich.....

I wonder if ostrich eat snails  

blob_54- A forum is a place for open discussion and arguements, thats what it's made for.

[BCfosheezy]

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Sep 4 2006, 07:36 PM)

I wonder if ostrich eat snails

blob_54- A forum is a place for open discussion and arguements, thats what it's made for.

 

Lol before I editted it, it said: Since when has "snail" been a putdown? I opted for sarcasm because it helps illustrate the effect your comment had on me.

[Odb718]

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Sep 2 2006, 02:39 PM)

That's one of the most contradicting posts I've ever read. Let's compare the lag from xlink to XBL. Hmm. I have a perfect high green connection on XBL, and lag out of every other game on xlink. Yeah, but XBL is the more laggy of the two. Seriously, if you think that, you deserve to have your balls cut off, in hope that you can't procreate in this world.

I Moose I, please stop. You have lost. Horribly. You do realize, now that BCfosheezy has spelled it out for you, that Xlink is set up a little different then XBL, right? If you have a perfect green connection in both Xlink and Live you will have a perfectly clean game. The fact that you can see your ping in xlink means xlink is better then live because you can see what you're getting into ahead of time.
 

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Wow, nice comeback genius. The point was, that Xlink doesn't even have a matchmaking system. So take that away from XBL. Now lets compare. You can't cheat in Xbox live customs, or else you'll get booted. The lag on Xlink is unbearable whether you have a good connection or not, compared to XBL where its based on who gets host, and the person's individual connection.
 
If you had a brain in your head, you'd realize that XBL customs system is better than Xlink in it of itself. The matchmaking system is just an added bonus.
I knew that's why you disliked xbox live. You got raped by legit 25's who bragged about their levels. Well, guess what, if you play with real halo players, they won't give a shit about ranks.

XBL custom games has NOTHING on Xlink. How can you even think this? Back to the point about seeing people pings. You can't do this on live. If you create a room, and host a game, you have full control of how laggy the game will be and who's playing it. the XBL custom system is xlink with out the UI so how is this better?? Because people in your friends list are the ONLY people who can see the game?? You are an idiot. In live if some one joins your custom, and has a modded profile yes you can boot them. But unless the game is locked (which they wouldn't be able to join in the first place) they can just join again. With Xlink you can ban them from your room. How does Live win on this option? It doesn't.
 

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My point is that waiting for host box doesn't increase any chances of having a player with host who would make the game lag, compared to random players joining matchmaking.

Wth? is this even a thought? "waiting for host box doesn't increase any chances of having a player with host" Ok there dubya.
Your whole point was waiting for host was the end-all of any problems. I've read this sentence over and over and over, and are you trying to say that waiting for host actually decreases the chance of some one else getting host?!?! Well you're a god damn genius!

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You're trying to tell me that most people can't host 7 other xboxes on their connection?

How can you not understand the fact that people don't have the bandwidth for host? I'd be lucky to be able to host 4 people clean.
Or the fact that waiting for host, standby'ing for host, doing anything to ensure you have host, is cheating?? It might not be as bad as a modded profile but it's still a type of cheating. It'd be like saying standby isn't cheating because it's only affecting bandwidth. Same deal with host. It makes sure YOU have bandwidth over everyone else.
 
I agree with Foe-hammer, Halo 2 has way too much auto-aim. It can actually work against you its so bad.

[I Moose I]

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With Xlink you can ban them from your room. How does Live win on this option? It doesn't.

That's called Invite only. If you don't have enough friends to create a successful game, you shouldn't waste your money on live.

If it's so difficult to host 7 other xboxes, than why do I rarely (1 out of 20 at best) get a laggy host? Your point is great, but isn't true nor practical.

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Your whole point was waiting for host was the end-all of any problems. I've read this sentence over and over and over, and are you trying to say that waiting for host actually decreases the chance of some one else getting host?!?! Well you're a god damn genius!

Please make an attempt to interpret my post. Why would waiting for host box rather than going in randomly INCREASE the chances of having a laggy host? Everyone who waits for host box automatically has a laggy connection?

Why would I want to go on Xlink kai and play with people that I don't even know? Don't tell me that all of your friends at school do, because they don't. Thanks, I'll stick with XBL, take the better connections (despite what you idiots say), and play with my friends.

[BCfosheezy]

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Sep 5 2006, 10:36 PM)

Tell you what. Once you show me a serious (extremely good) halo 2 player who only plays on Xlink, I'll believe that Xlink is better than XBL.

How are we going to tell who is good? The RATINGS? Please. You have no legs to stand on here. I'm sure if you play on XLink someone there will beat you.

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That's called Invite only. If you don't have enough friends to create a successful game, you shouldn't waste your money on live.

That is not only a ridiculous statement but it misses his point totally. Nobody is going to have enough friends online ALL the time to always get up a game. On Matchmaking or on XLink you can. There's a big difference there. Live is not about friends, it's about matchmaking. Your whole point is just silly.

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If it's so difficult to host 7 other xboxes, than why do I rarely (1 out of 20 at best) get a laggy host? Your point is great, but isn't true nor practical.

You only think you get a laggy host that few times. That's because of the way Halo2's netcode is set up. The client functions independantly of the server. This is how you can snipe on Halo2. Your client says "hey I got a headshot" and sends it to the server even though the server didn't think so. You get the kill and never notice and lag. If it were the host, he would have had a fraction of a second more than you to react and shoot you. We are correct on this issue. It's not only common sense, it's been proven.

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Please make an attempt to interpret my post. Why would waiting for host box rather than going in randomly INCREASE the chances of having a laggy host? Everyone who waits for host box automatically has a laggy connection?

No it's the fact that they forced Live to make them host rather than for Live to determine they are the most suitable host and select them. In this way it makes them more than likely a worse choice than someone else and thus laggy. Even if they are not, if they steal host every time their ranking will be higher than someone who simply joins games. This is an unfair advantage and is a cheap way to make your e-penis larger.

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Why would I want to go on Xlink kai and play with people that I don't even know? Don't tell me that all of your friends at school do, because they don't. Thanks, I'll stick with XBL, take the better connections (despite what you idiots say), and play with my friends.

You play with people you don't know in matchmaking Mr. 35 rank. You're saying because someone is connected to live they have better connections? Who is the real idiot?

[I Moose I]

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 5 2006, 11:28 PM)

How are we going to tell who is good? The RATINGS? Please. You have no legs to stand on here. I'm sure if you play on XLink someone there will beat you.

And I bet he/she play on XBL. This has nothing to do with the ratings. IT has everything to do with the quality of custom games and quality of players.

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That is not only a ridiculous statement but it misses his point totally. Nobody is going to have enough friends online ALL the time to always get up a game. On Matchmaking or on XLink you can. There's a big difference there. Live is not about friends, it's about matchmaking. Your whole point is just silly.

I had 7 friends on at 4 AM last night :-/. Live really isn't about matchmaking for me, at all. I do play it a fair amount, but I enjoy custom games better. I'm sure you can get a custom game going on Xlink all of the time, but my point is that I don't particularly enjoy playing with people I do not know.

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You only think you get a laggy host that few times. That's because of the way Halo2's netcode is set up. The client functions independantly of the server. This is how you can snipe on Halo2. Your client says "hey I got a headshot" and sends it to the server even though the server didn't think so. You get the kill and never notice and lag. If it were the host, he would have had a fraction of a second more than you to react and shoot you. We are correct on this issue. It's not only common sense, it's been proven.

There will always be that small fraction of "lag". It will happen anywhere in online play. My definition of lag, although most likely technically incorrect, is a "bubble" in the game (possibly continuous) that affects the game play a substantial amount. And yes, I also understand the fact that the host's framerate is a fraction of a second "faster", so to speak, than the rest of the player. Like I stated, I hate the concept of host in general. It allows that cheating and like you said a laggy host.

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No it's the fact that they forced Live to make them host rather than for Live to determine they are the most suitable host and select them. In this way it makes them more than likely a worse choice than someone else and thus laggy. Even if they are not, if they steal host every time their ranking will be higher than someone who simply joins games. This is an unfair advantage and is a cheap way to make your e-penis larger.

Like I said, if a two teams of four enter a game, the first one in will get host box (obviously), whether they want it or not. It's the same exact thing as if you would simply wait for host box. Waiting for it isn't going to give the person in your party who has the worst connection, host. It would still have four hosts to choose from, just like it would any other time. Now, if this is the same when going in alone, I'm really not sure.
 

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You play with people you don't know in matchmaking Mr. 35 rank. You're saying because someone is connected to live they have better connections? Who is the real idiot?

I'll admit, I used to be "addicted" to mm so to speak, but even when I played it then, I still played with my friends, normally. Now, if my friends are on I usually just play customs, unless it gets boring.

I don't brag about my ranks, and never will. I would like it if they made all of the ranks invisible, actually.

[TheIrishLad]

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 5 2006, 11:28 PM)

Live is not about friends, it's about matchmaking.

What are you talking about?  Of course live is about friends, why do you think it has a friends list and the ability to play with a group of people in matchmaking over and over?  So your saying that when I join a party of 3 people and we play a game of Team Swat, we actually don't care about the other people in the party and just about winning the matchmaking game?  

No.

[BCfosheezy]

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Sep 6 2006, 03:47 PM)

What are you talking about? Of course live is about friends, why do you think it has a friends list and the ability to play with a group of people in matchmaking over and over? So your saying that when I join a party of 3 people and we play a game of Team Swat, we actually don't care about the other people in the party and just about winning the matchmaking game?

No.

HAHA, that reply doesn't even warrant a response. I'll prove you wrong just the same. Just because it's possible doesn't mean that's what it's about. By your reasoning, Xbox is obviously about the Y button. It's there and you can use it... so that's definitely what it's about. No. EVERY service has a friend list. XLink has one. XBC has one. XBL has one. Great! Live is about matchmaking...the unique factor that is the foundation for the whole thing. That's the only reason to PAY for the service. You can get in a game any time and various other perks. This is obvious and should not even be up for debate.

[I Moose I]

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 6 2006, 08:08 PM)

HAHA, that reply doesn't even warrant a response. I'll prove you wrong just the same. Just because it's possible doesn't mean that's what it's about. By your reasoning, Xbox is obviously about the Y button. It's there and you can use it... so that's definitely what it's about. No. EVERY service has a friend list. XLink has one. XBC has one. XBL has one. Great! Live is about matchmaking...the unique factor that is the foundation for the whole thing. That's the only reason to PAY for the service. You can get in a game any time and various other perks. This is obvious and should not even be up for debate.

I do agree that matchmaking is the main perk for h2 XBL. My only other point would be, as I stated, I do have a much larger quanity of my own personal friends on XBL, than I would if I played Xlink as often.

Of course, H2 isn't the only game playable on Xbox live, and those have other features, but this of course is the halo board.

[BCfosheezy]

QUOTE(I Moose I @ Sep 6 2006, 02:24 PM)

And I bet he/she play on XBL. This has nothing to do with the ratings. IT has everything to do with the quality of custom games and quality of players.

Ok great. You fail to state why these people MUST play on XBL to be any good. You fail to state how the quality of a custom game on live is better than a custom game on XLink. You also fail to state how someone who pays $50.00 a year for a service is instantly better than someone who plays the same exact game for free.

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I had 7 friends on at 4 AM last night :-/. Live really isn't about matchmaking for me, at all. I do play it a fair amount, but I enjoy custom games better. I'm sure you can get a custom game going on Xlink all of the time, but my point is that I don't particularly enjoy playing with people I do not know.

You're not fooling anyone here. IF you had that many friends on at that time, it is guaranteed that you do not know each of these indivuals personally. It is a given that nobody knows enough people in real life that not only have an xbox BUT play Halo2 AND have Live. Sorry, that's unheard of. You may have met these people in matchmaking and made them your friends, but that's no different than meeting people on XLink and adding them to your friends list. Again, you have no legs to stand on.

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There will always be that small fraction of "lag". It will happen anywhere in online play. My definition of lag, although most likely technically incorrect, is a "bubble" in the game (possibly continuous) that affects the game play a substantial amount. And yes, I also understand the fact that the host's framerate is a fraction of a second "faster", so to speak, than the rest of the player. Like I stated, I hate the concept of host in general. It allows that cheating and like you said a laggy host.

By your definition, or anyone's definition, Halo2 is the determining factor. Once the game is established it runs the exact same no matter what service joined you. You're directly connected to each other with nothing else in between. The only determining factor is host.

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Like I said, if a two teams of four enter a game, the first one in will get host box (obviously), whether they want it or not. It's the same exact thing as if you would simply wait for host box. Waiting for it isn't going to give the person in your party who has the worst connection, host. It would still have four hosts to choose from, just like it would any other time. Now, if this is the same when going in alone, I'm really not sure.

Not necessarily so. Let me just go ahead and paste this quote from the Bungie article that I previously posted. Obviously nobody took the time to read it:

 

"Some of the worst abuses that games that don't use 3rd party controlled dedicated servers suffer from involve taking advantage of being the host. If you want a solid game, want to be sure that that host doesn't end it just as you're about to score and win, you need to host yourself. Of course not everyone's bandwidth supports this, and of course if everyone could host then no one would join anyone else's game, and so most players are left at the host's mercy. This is one of the biggest hurdles many games face, but Halo 2 dispenses with these problems. First, the matchmaking system determines the host automatically and invisibly (this is true for all Halo 2 games, not just matchmade). Second, the host of a matchmade game has no option to end the game, all he can do is leave the game. Finally, if the host leaves, powers off, loses his connection, whatever, a new host is automatically chosen and the game continues without him (we call this host migration)."

 

This pretty much sums up and defeats every argument you've tried to make throughout. Unfortunately, we all know the matchmaking system can be defeated and manipulated so someone can ensure that they are host.

 

Let me give you a little food for thought. Someone starts a game and there is not one available so Live sets them as host. Others join their game. Then the host quits. Is there now no host? Of course not. Live picks another person to be host.

 

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I'll admit, I used to be "addicted" to mm so to speak, but even when I played it then, I still played with my friends, normally. Now, if my friends are on I usually just play customs, unless it gets boring.

I don't brag about my ranks, and never will. I would like it if they made all of the ranks invisible, actually.

 

Then why have you argued with me all along? That's my original argument.

[TheIrishLad]

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 6 2006, 08:08 PM)

HAHA, that reply doesn't even warrant a response. I'll prove you wrong just the same. Just because it's possible doesn't mean that's what it's about. By your reasoning, Xbox is obviously about the Y button. It's there and you can use it... so that's definitely what it's about. No. EVERY service has a friend list. XLink has one. XBC has one. XBL has one. Great! Live is about matchmaking...the unique factor that is the foundation for the whole thing. That's the only reason to PAY for the service. You can get in a game any time and various other perks. This is obvious and should not even be up for debate.

What is matchmaking without friends?  Nothing.

If you remember what you typed earlier, you said "Live is not about friends, it's about matchmaking"

Friends are as much a part of XBL as matchmaking is.  Why do most people not go into Team Slayer alone? Because they don't know who they might get as a teamate.  Just as you don't know what your talking about.  

So please Mr. Snail, go crawl back into your shell.  I've proven you wrong numerous times, it's getting pathetic, so keep quiet and maybe post later when you start to think about what your posting.

[BCfosheezy]

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Sep 7 2006, 09:15 PM)

What is matchmaking without friends? Nothing.

If you remember what you typed earlier, you said "Live is not about friends, it's about matchmaking"

Friends are as much a part of XBL as matchmaking is. Why do most people not go into Team Slayer alone? Because they don't know who they might get as a teamate. Just as you don't know what your talking about.

So please Mr. Snail, go crawl back into your shell. I've proven you wrong numerous times, it's getting pathetic, so keep quiet and maybe post later when you start to think about what your posting.

 

It's sad that you think you've proven me wrong yet you have not and have not even come close. As a matter of fact you actually were proven so horribly wrong that you quit the discussion one time but your pride was hurt so bad you just had to come back. I've already proven you wrong on this discussion and your argument here does not warrant a recap. This is the real-world nutjob. You can't just say you're right and everyone think you're automatically right. You have to back it up with facts that cannot be disputed. You cannot and have not.

[TheIrishLad]

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 8 2006, 08:11 AM)

It's sad that you think you've proven me wrong yet you have not and have not even come close. As a matter of fact you actually were proven so horribly wrong that you quit the discussion one time but your pride was hurt so bad you just had to come back. I've already proven you wrong on this discussion and your argument here does not warrant a recap. This is the real-world nutjob. You can't just say you're right and everyone think you're automatically right. You have to back it up with facts that cannot be disputed. You cannot and have not.

I quit the arguement because it's impossible to convince someone as arrogant as you that you are wrong.  I just proved you wrong in my earlier post, and what do you have to say about it?  

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 8 2006, 08:11 AM)

I've already proven you wrong on this discussion and your argument here does not warrant a recap.

That is what I call giving up.  I proved you wrong and you have nothing to say, except trying to slander me and hurling insults at me:

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Sep 8 2006, 08:11 AM)

This is the real-world nutjob.

I'm a nutjob huh?  Why?  Because I can prove you wrong?

Since when have you been "backing up your facts so that they cannot be disputed?"  Do you have factual evidence that people on XBL are there for matchmaking and they aren't there for friends?  

Obviously you can't, so why ask things from me that you don't even have yourself?  

You had said XBL isn't about friends, well it may not be for you, but again your trying to force your views to cover a large group of people, this is plain moronic.  

People play XBL for friends as well as for matchmaking.  It's as simple as that, give me proof otherwise, and I will listen.  But until then, keep the insults to yourself, they're not helping you.

[BCfosheezy]

QUOTE(TheIrishLad @ Sep 8 2006, 03:32 PM)

I quit the arguement because it's impossible to convince someone as arrogant as you that you are wrong. I just proved you wrong in my earlier post, and what do you have to say about it?



That is what I call giving up. I proved you wrong and you have nothing to say, except trying to slander me and hurling insults at me:

Not wanting to restate all of my points that I've previously made that prove your claims wrong is hardly giving up. It's growing tired of dealing with someone's ignorance. I didn't hurl any insults. I have merely defended myself. Until you come up with a valid point that I have not already addressed and proven wrong then I will not reply to you. You cleary have lost your grip on reality and factual information.

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I'm a nutjob huh? Why? Because I can prove you wrong?

No, you're a nutjob because you THINK you proved me wrong but have not even come close at any time.

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Since when have you been "backing up your facts so that they cannot be disputed?" Do you have factual evidence that people on XBL are there for matchmaking and they aren't there for friends?

Since I PROVIDED A SOURCE for my claims and since I have used irrefutable logic. You have done NOTHING of the sort. I don't have to prove they aren't there for friends. All I had to prove was that Live's unique factor was matchmaking. I didn't have to prove anyone wanted Live due to friends because if they really cared solely about a friends list they could have used XBC or XLINK for free. You obviously do not understand reasoning.

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Obviously you can't, so why ask things from me that you don't even have yourself?

If you had any reading for comprehension skills you would know how wrong this statement is.

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You had said XBL isn't about friends, well it may not be for you, but again your trying to force your views to cover a large group of people, this is plain moronic.

I never said friends weren't a part of or useful to Xbox Live. I merely said it's not ABOUT that. That means that's not its main selling point or driving factor. Obviously you don't understand logic.

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People play XBL for friends as well as for matchmaking. It's as simple as that, give me proof otherwise, and I will listen. But until then, keep the insults to yourself, they're not helping you.

You've missed the whole point. I never said people don't play FOR friends. I said Live is not about that. It's simply not. Matchmaking is what makes Live unique to all the FREE services. That's why that's what it's about for Halo2. The friends list is standard for gaming services. That's a given. If a friends list were what live was about, that would be the main reason to play the game on Live. IE; XLink, XBC. Instead, Live has to be unique since they are charging for it. It has to be unique so people can just get in a game easily. It has to be unique so your friends and you can quickly find a match to play. This is where matchmaking comes in and it's what makes Live shine. THAT is what Live is about. Friends are simply standard. You have some sort of comprehension problem that is making you not able to get a grip on what I'm saying. I don't hold it against you. It's not your fault. Realize you have some sort or complex where since I've defeated your every point you feel the need to attack me. Instead why don't you just realize that you stood on the wrong side of the argument? You'll never prove the truth wrong. It's time for you to just give up. You have no valid points. You have no facts. You have no argument. What you do have is an ignorance of the truth. You have the ability to stand in the face of facts but ignore them. You have totally lame putdowns that you like to sling that actually make you look bad by using them. It's time for you to stop before you make yourself look any worse. I will continue to reply in this discussion if you wish, but it's not in your benefit and frankly I feel bad for you.