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Foe think about your argument.  It doesn't take split second timing for a grenade jump.  Just a matter of a second, not miliseconds.  If you couldn't grenade jump b/c of lag, the game would not even be playable in every other aspect.

[sp3cialk]

QUOTE(esc1 @ Apr 7 2005, 11:19 AM)

Grenade jumping has nothing to do with network speeds or architecture.  Its part of Bungie's code.  Don't know why, but it just is.  Face it.   :rolleyes:

See it is affected by network speeds and/or architecture... you just stated why... you know that the games for live have in their code to hinder one aspect rather than the enitre experience... so in a laggy game voice is sometimes affected... not always true in halo but has been written in other game's code to drop losslessness (is that a word) of the voice comm to keep the framerate/gameplay close to steamless... being that you are host you are almost acting as a server for the game hinch you shouldn't experience any lag hinchforth the game shouldn't be laggy to you which in turn would allow you to nade jump but not for the other players... works with the same concept of sweep sniping... bungie's code tries to compencate for lag and expands hit boxes, for let's say your head, allowing people to sweep across your head and hit you even though they weren't aiming... now I haven't seen being host or not helpful or harmful in that case but i have in nade jumping...

Oh and sorry about the techno mumbo jumbo earlier i was in a BISCI lan design manual looking something up for work and just spouted it off

[esc1]

I'm wasn't talking about their network code.  I meant their programming.  

If you could grenade jump w/o being host you could do it on syslink no prob, but you can't.  You could try it til' you were blue in the face on live, but you wouldn't be able to do it, ever.  If you think you can't b/c of lag try it over and over.  You won't be able to do it.  Damn, its not that hard to realize.  

You can have the host grenade you and you can get a grenade jump off that, just to let you know so one of you doesn't discover that and thow it back in my face, like you can grenade jump w/o being host.  You can't grenade jump, from your own grenades w/o being host period.  That's enough arguements for me in this thread.  Be as ignorant as you want.   :rolleyes:

[gcskate27]

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(esc1 @ Apr 7 2005, 05:19 PM)

Foe think about your argument.  It doesn't take split second timing for a grenade jump.  Just a matter of a second, not miliseconds.  If you couldn't grenade jump b/c of lag, the game would not even be playable in every other aspect.

Not neccessarily, different weapons/things have different latency issues when playing online.  The gernade just maybe extremely off.  Take for example when the lag is bad on live, that you cannot go through a teleporter, but the BR is fairly accurate nonetheless.  The latency can be a whole heck of a lot worse then a few milliseconds, try a full second or more.  If the timing is that off, then timing a gernade jump would be impossible.

It just doesn't make any sense to me why this would be a programming blunder only when playing sys-link or online.  Just for that reason it sounds like a latency prob.  But, as you swear, if it is a prob in just plain sys-link then i don't know what to think.  I'll have to make sure for cetain when i have another xbox to try sys-link.

[The Terrible Two]

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Apr 7 2005, 07:40 PM)

It just doesn't make any sense to me why this would be a programming blunder only when playing sys-link or online.  Just for that reason it sounds like a latency prob.  But, as you swear, if it is a prob in just plain sys-link then i don't know what to think.  I'll have to make sure for cetain when i have another xbox to try sys-link.

we have two xboxes in our house, play LAN syslink (and xbox connect) all the time, and no, you can't grenade jump off of anyone but the host's grenades.

[LinkWarrior]

I'm going to squash one myth here...YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE HOST IN SYSTEM LINK GAMES TO GRENADE JUMP. I have done it multiple times and have not been the host. If it happened to you, then it probably happened once because of lag, so now you think it happens every time.

[d0wnlab]

wait.. maybe there's a hope here.. are you using PAL or NTSC?

[seedybrick]

what's even the issue though?

that if you are not hosting....you can't get the timing *just* right of when to hit the jump button?


if that's the case then i still don't understand how you could jump off of a host's grenade......if you're not hosting - you'll still mess the timing up?

or is a host grenade just more powerful?

[d0wnlab]

two fold, really:

if you're the host, you'll can be boosted/pushed from a grenade blast (anyone's grenade) (this I am positive of, 100%.  Don't say shit until you try it and, hell, have a video to back you up.)

if you're not the host, the only grenades that push you are the hosts (this is from what someone said earlier, this I'm unsure of.. never tried this I'm usually hosting in XBC)

Foe-hammer's saying that XBC/Kai is different than lan games due to timing issues with being tunnelled, and that if you have two xboxes in the same house syslinked the second box (not host) can grenade jump.

We're saying he's wrong and they act the exact same.  Namely, I have currently... 4 xboxes in my house (university students, you know...) and we play all the time, and no, you can't grenade jump unless you're one of the two rules posted above.

[Foe-hammer]

 

You all who said it did not work when not hosting were correct, it doesn't even boost you an inch.

What the hell is up with that?

You'd think bungie would have noticed this, at least by now, and fixed it.