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[Liamb2003]

[Liamb2003]

QUOTE (jz28 @ Sep 26 2003, 02:14 PM)

QUOTE (Sykotek @ Sep 26 2003, 09:02 AM) Yeah I was giggling to myself with all the 'slow, boring' posts regarding HL.  These people have not seen a real FPS shooter like quake or halflife.  The thing that was the hardest to adapt to playing halo was how slow master chief is.  I think he must be about 100 years old under that helmet, must be using an invisible walker.  I kept looking for a 'run' button.  The only game that was slower that I can remember playing is the 007 for N64.  Slow and boring, they obviously haven't played it like you said. You are right on the money man. Halo sticks out a bit in my mind only because I played it recently. But the action in Halflife is much more intense than in Halo. And I HATE PLAYING HALO mulitplayer, because you're right, he moves like a slug covered in molasses walking backwards. I mean, its tough to compare both of these games because of the different platforms, and some changes are made to slow xbox games down to make gameplay still easy with a pad, but the thing is, Halflife 2 has a better physics engine, and is more "realistic" in the sense of how gameplay will work. They are both going to be excellent games, but its silly to think that halo2 will be better than what a team who has been working for years to accomplish will bring forth in the form of halflife 2.

Umm how could mc

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move like a slug covered in molasses walking backwards.

if he has speed and muscle enchancements? And you must have laggin eyes from playing all them crap pc fps's mc dosent move slow. Also, in hl can you use vehicles? Can you drive alon in those tiny enclosed levels. While your marine friends gun down covenant armadas and laugh? In hl multiplayer, can you use vehicles? no. you cant drive up to your mates in a huge ass tank and blow them to peices. Another point. All hl's single, and multiplayer levels aree really enclosed. with the exception of the crossfire dm level. Which is crap n e wayz. I'll let all you pc fanboys back to moving some mouse around while some bloke called gordon slowly kills some enemies that look like they are still in a mesh form. hl's graphix are also not too good. Although the game did come out like 4 years ago. Stop livin in the past man. The future is here. (with good games like halo)

[Sykotek]

UBER UBER UBER UBER UBER.

[xboxfrizzy]

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Halo 2 [ 74 ]   [72.55%] Half Life 2 [ 28 ]   [27.45%]

Then i purchased my xbox,  popped in my copy of halo, and well,  it was the first time i saw the light.

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The thing that was the hardest to adapt to playing halo was how slow master chief is. I think he must be about 100 years old under that helmet, must be using an invisible walker. I kept looking for a 'run' button. The only game that was slower that I can remember playing is the 007 for N64. Slow and boring, they obviously haven't played it like you said.

The only people who think this are the ones who like to play at cracked out speeds in games like unreal tournament.  I played this on xbox live and evryone had there games up to 200% speed,  im sorry to say but if the game is moving to fast,  you cant enjoy whats actually going on in the game.  If you can rip youselves away from that cracked out bullshit,  try putting the speed down to like 75%(prety much holo speed),  and let me know how much of a better experience the game is.  Because its hella.  But no one plays like that. Which is why i through it away.

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Halflife 2 has a better physics engine, and is more "realistic" in the sense of how gameplay will work.

How would you know,  you havnt played it yet,  it might have a decent physics engine but i can prety much garentee that its going to be no halo.

I cant see why people think that half life is more of an intense game than halo.  My friend who is lost out of the loop(ps2 owner,  no xbox) baught half life the other day and we played for a little bit.  Man,  this game is the complete opposite of intense.  You start out riding in some moving elevator type thingy for like 10 minutes while you have to listen to some girl talk which is more anoying than most elevator music.  Then you start fighting aliens with a crow bar(woopty fuckin do)  Anyway,  in holo,  you start out in the action within seconds,  in a fast intense intro of what halo is really all about.

Get a clue pc fan boys,  you just dont know a peice of art from a peice of shit.

[Liamb2003]

You just cant grip the fact. "HALO 2 WILL CRUSH HL2 LIKE A WORM"

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Ha-slow 2

Thats not even funny man    Wot about mc being 100 years old under the mjolnir suit. HL is older than that!!!    It's a good game for its time and must be left in the past, where it belongs. Halo2 and half-life 2 will both be winners but i am mostly waiting for the highly anticipated halo 2...  

[Liamb2003]

QUOTE (xboxfrizzy @ Sep 26 2003, 04:46 PM)

I noticed that we have had 2 more pc fan boys visit this topic who really dont know what a good game is,  trying to throw in our face how we have never played half life or others like quake and unreal.  Well ive played them all and to be completly honest.  They all blew ass.  Hella if i may add.  Well this is what ill throw in your face: QUOTE Halo 2 [ 74 ]   [72.55%] Half Life 2 [ 28 ]   [27.45%] Then i purchased my xbox,  popped in my copy of halo, and well,  it was the first time i saw the light. QUOTE The thing that was the hardest to adapt to playing halo was how slow master chief is. I think he must be about 100 years old under that helmet, must be using an invisible walker. I kept looking for a 'run' button. The only game that was slower that I can remember playing is the 007 for N64. Slow and boring, they obviously haven't played it like you said. The only people who think this are the ones who like to play at cracked out speeds in games like unreal tournament.  I played this on xbox live and evryone had there games up to 200% speed,  im sorry to say but if the game is moving to fast,  you cant enjoy whats actually going on in the game.  If you can rip youselves away from that cracked out bullshit,  try putting the speed down to like 75%(prety much holo speed),  and let me know how much of a better experience the game is.  Because its hella.  But no one plays like that. Which is why i through it away. QUOTE Halflife 2 has a better physics engine, and is more "realistic" in the sense of how gameplay will work. How would you know,  you havnt played it yet,  it might have a decent physics engine but i can prety much garentee that its going to be no halo. I cant see why people think that half life is more of an intense game than halo.  My friend who is lost out of the loop(ps2 owner,  no xbox) baught half life the other day and we played for a little bit.  Man,  this game is the complete opposite of intense.  You start out riding in some moving elevator type thingy for like 10 minutes while you have to listen to some girl talk which is more anoying than most elevator music.  Then you start fighting aliens with a crow bar(woopty fuckin do)  Anyway,  in holo,  you start out in the action within seconds,  in a fast intense intro of what halo is really all about. Get a clue pc fan boys,  you just dont know a peice of art from a peice of shit.

well sed.  

[Liamb2003]

[Liamb2003]

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We'll just see which game sells more copies when they both come out neck and neck

Prolly hl2 will get more. becuz peepul with xbox will get halo2 and hl2 like i will. And people with just pc's or the ever unlucky ps2 owners, will just buy hl2. I will love them both and play (and hack) them untill i drop but will prefer halo2. Speekin of ps2 my mate is a ps2 fanboy and he recently bought a ps2 mag which sed "Is Halo coming out for PS2? see inside for details." On the front page, with a big pic of mc. He looked inside and went to where it sed in the contents. He turned to the page and written on it, it sed "No." I pissed myself at the look on my friends face!  

[xboxfrizzy]

All of us xbox fan boys understand why you pc fan boys liked and still like half life.  Because of the potential to make a game out of it the way that you want it to be=to modify

The only thing that half life has on halo is that you can easly mod it to make a game type that fits you perfect.  Distribute it out to others around the world and play them.  In the game that you created.

The only reason that half life has any type of milestone in the fps gameing industry is because of this and because of this only.

Give halo a couple more months when it has been completly hacked,  and i bet we see some amazing mods that literally blow half life out of this world.  

Just imagine the counter strike game but useing the halo game engine.

I dont know about you but it makes me giddy like a little girl.

[Sykotek]

Actually, people have been modding since doom 1.  I remember downloading a beavis and butthead patch for doom 1 that turned all of the enemies into beavis and butthead characters, audio and all.  And there have been map and game editors for every ID FPS since and including the original doom.  

Fun stuff.

[xboxfrizzy]

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All of us xbox fan boys understand why you pc fan boys liked and still like half life. Because of the potential to make a game out of it the way that you want it to be=to modify The only thing that half life has on halo is that you can easly mod it to make a game type that fits you perfect. Distribute it out to others around the world and play them. In the game that you created. The only reason that half life has any type of milestone in the fps gameing industry is because of this and because of this only.

Yeah,  i know this wasnt entirly true,  but it does have alot to do with what boosted its popularity.

I just cant wait untill we can make are own levels and gametypes for halo,  most likely halo pc.  It will give us something to do untill halo 2.

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the ever unlucky ps2 owners, will just buy hl2.

Is Half Life 2 coming out for PS2 also?

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE (Sykotek @ Sep 25 2003, 06:08 PM)

Boy your panties are all in a bunch aren't they? Like I said I bought a NEW p4 2.0, Geforce440MX, 512MB, 40GB Hd, cd-RW last summer, June, for $498 at a PC show.  I guarentee you that if youwent today you can get the same system for $300.  That is if you're old enough to drive there.  You love that fanboy thing don't you?  Fanboy Fanboy Fanboy.  I have 3 xboxes and 2 PCs.  I know good games.  I loved halo.  Halo 2 looks great.  Never said it didn't.  But you're the one with your head up somewhere if you honestly think that Halo 2 will be anything more than a polished up halo 1 with new levels, weapons and enemies.  It's the same game engine, the same hardware, the same everything.  The developers can only squeeze so much out of a static hardware platform before it's squeezed dry.  Yeah I still play Halo.  Lots of people do.  After 5 years and the release of halo 2, and whatever else comes along, halo 1 will be dead and gone.  You are kidding yourself.    A celeron is a pentium processor with less onboard cache.  It is a fact.  The P3/P4 has more onboard cache.  I'm not comparing the consoles directly to the PCs.  I understand your 'overhead' argument.   That's great.  By controlability and enjoyability do you mean has a controller?   I know a lot of console folks get all scared and disoriented if they try to play a game without a 'controller'.  When I used to play quake 3 on dreamcast, my friend used to say that there was no way that I could beat him using a keyboard and mouse.  So I mopped him up a few times and he shut up.  The accuracy and speed of a mouse can't be replicated with a controller (yet).  Maybe if there was a trackball in place of one of the thumbsticks. I don't know how you come to the conclusion that Halo 2 will look better than Half life?  The xbox displays in 640X480, or up to 1080i if you have a HD box and a HDTV.   I play Unreal 2003 on my PC at 1900X1600.   Do you even know what that looks like?  Of course you don't because you're stuck in your console wonderland.  Stick to the point.  It's useless to try to argue that an xbox has hardware superiority over a PC.  It does not.  It never did.  So stick to the Halo 2 Vs. HL2 arguement.  Ever played Half life?  Kinda puts the halo storyline to shame.  Actually, Half life came out years before halo, and ironically, you're fighting an alien invasion in Half life.  At least they could have thought of something original for the halo story, but no, just leach the alien invasion thing.  Hey it sold games!  And hl was not just a repetition of the same scenery over and over again as was the case in halo.  "ooh another hallway!" I am really getting a kick out of this.  You're the one that isn't seeing reality for what it is.  HL2 has been in development for 5 years now.  If you do decide to play it you'll see how much better the valve games are written.  I'm sorry if I'm hurting your console-loving feelings.  Please accept my sincerest apologies.  Go on and live in your sheltered world and don't forget to light the candles on your xbox shrine before you go to bed.  Have fun!

Wow! What a complete moron. Now that's sift through the pile of horse shit you just wrote:
1) You said you could get a new pc with a pentium4 2ghz cpu + mobo, gforece4 graphic card, and 512megs of ddr ram. In order to compare this to an xbox on equal terms; game playing and price range, you'll also have to get a cdrom drive, case, harddrive, and windows. Now that's break this down, in terms of price:

Pentium4 2ghz + mobo: $200
geforce card: $100
512meg ddr ram: $50
cdrom drive: $25
case:$20 Windows xp: $100
Hdd: $80
Keyboard and mouse: $25

Total: $580!  And this is having to put it together yourself.  Having it come all together will cost even more.  The xbox comes all set up and ready to go for $180.  So, no...a pc with all this hardware and software (all the stuff you'll need to play a game) is not even close to with in the price range of the xbox, as you have stated.
So i ask again, show me where i can get a pc, with these specs, for under $300, built, like you said.

2) You profess that you "love halo", but all you say is how much you don't like it.  Hell, I bet you don’t even own an xbox.

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[Halo2] "Its the same engine, the same hardware, the same everything."

You sure know your halo.  If you don't know what your talking about stfu.  If you knew anything about halo2, or have seen any of its screenshots, you would know that halo2 is running on a completely new graphics engine, and will look in magnitude of 10 xs better than the first.

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"A celeron is a pentium processor with less onboard cache.  It is a fact.  The P3/P4 has more onboard cache."

No shit, but where the xbox is different, and more akin to a pentium, is the FSB speed:

Xbox CPU
Manufacturer: Intel
Clock Speed: 733MHz
L1 Cache: 32KB (16KB Instruction Cache + 16KB Data Cache)
L2 Cache: 128KB
FSB: 133MHz
Streaming SIMD Extensions (SSE)

Pentium III 733
Manufacturer: Intel
Clock Speed: 733MHz
L1 Cache: 32KB (16KB Instruction Cache + 16KB Data Cache)
L2 Cache: 256KB
FSB: 133MHz
Streaming SIMD Extensions (SSE)

Celeron 733
Manufacturer: Intel
Clock Speed: 733MHz
L1 Cache: 32KB (16KB Instruction Cache + 16KB Data Cache)
L2 Cache: 128KB
FSB: 66MHz
Streaming SIMD Extensions (SSE)

The Xbox CPU is a cross between P3 and Celeron. It uses a 133MHz bus (FSB), but only has 128KB Level 2 Cache. However, Xbox CPU performance will be closer to a Pentium III than a Celeron. Celeron processors are greatly crippled by their low FSB speed.
Get your facts straight before you start spewing your fanboy horse shit, by just repeating what other fanboys have said.

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"I'm not comparing the consoles directly to the PCs.  I understand your 'overhead' argument.   That's great."

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"........while halo 2 is stuck on the same 733 MHZ celeron, 64MB RAM and Nvidia GF3 that Halo1 was written for."

Oh really, it sounds like you are here.  So, by your statement, the gamecube with a 450mhz cpu, and only 48meg ram would be an order of magnitude less than both the xbox and any >450mhz pc.

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"I don't know how you come to the conclusion that Halo 2 will look better than Half life?  The xbox displays in 640X480, or up to 1080i if you have a HD box and a HDTV.   I play Unreal 2003 on my PC at 1900X1600.   Do you even know what that looks like?  Of course you don't because you're stuck in your console wonderland."

Where did i ever say halo2 would look better than hl2?  And by the way, 1080i is 1440 x 1080 res.  Also, you must enjoy some horrible slowdowns on your 2ghz pc with that insanely high of a res.  1600x 1200 is more than enough.

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"By controlability and enjoyability do you mean has a controller?   I know a lot of console folks get all scared and disoriented if they try to play a game without a 'controller' ..The accuracy and speed of a mouse can't be replicated with a controller (yet)."

Spoken like someone who hasn't played much over a couple hours of halo, and hasn't got used to the genius controls yet, and/or just plain sucks at halo.  While i agree a mouse is more accurate than an analog stick, i don't agree that you have as much control over your character with a key board and mouse.  You can’t compare the xbox controller to the dreamcast’s, beause the dreamcast didn’t have duel analog sticks.  And, I agree that playing quake3 arena on the dc was better with a keyboard and mouse due to this reason.  Also, playing with a keyboard and mouse just isn't as real as playing with the xbox controller with its triggers and vibration.  

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"Stick to the point.  It's useless to try to argue that an xbox has hardware superiority over a PC.  It does not.  It never did.  So stick to the Halo 2 Vs. HL2 argument.  Ever played Half life?  Kinda puts the halo storyline to shame.  Actually, Half life came out years before halo, and ironically, you're fighting an alien invasion in Half life.  At least they could have thought of something original for the halo story, but no, just leach the alien invasion thing.  Hey it sold games!"

Again, where did i ever say that the xbox has superior specs when compared to the pc?  I thought so.  Man, you’re sure getting good at putting words in my mouth, i guess you have to come up with an argument somehow.  Also, your right, half life was the first ever to have a plot centered around an alien invasion??!  Give me a break, the next thing you'll say is half life was the first to have scary plot, and all other games ripped this idea off from them.  

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"And hl was not just a repetition of the same scenery over and over again as was the case in halo.  "ooh another hallway!""

I didn't see that one coming.  You fanboys sure love to repeat that one.  The only textures that were reused in different levels, in halo, where the indoor structures made by the makers of the halo world, on the halo ring planet.  The covenant and your own ship used different textures.  So, after looking at all of Egypt’s great pyramids, are you going to say the builders were uninspired, because they used the same building style in all their infrastructures?

Keep your biases to yourself, and stop saying/repeating things that you don’t know shit about...you, you mature person you.

[Sykotek]

Aah, Foe, did someone piss in your corn flakes lately?

Here you go, on your points:

1)  I bought the whole system (less a monitor, I had one) for $499.  I assumed when I said I 'bought a pc' you would understand what a PC was.  I mentioned in a previous post it included a cdrw.  Ever been to a PC show?  You would not argue with me about the price I got if you had been.  Get over it.

2)  Again,  in a previous post (reading comprehension problem maybe??) I said I own 3 xboxes.  I have a home network and they're all on it.  

3)  It is the same game engine with enhancements.  I said it would look like a 'polished' halo 1.  Generally, when you polish something, it looks better, no?  That's what I meant.  I will try to keep the metaphors at more of a grammar school level which it seems is easier for you to understand.  Magnitude of 10X better?  Justify that.  Maybe 2X.

4)  OK, you got me on the FSB speed.  I'll accept a draw since I still had the correct info on the cache (which any DEVELOPER will tell you is way more important than the bus (perepheral) speed.)  The CPU clock is still the same.

5)  This makes no sense.  The Xbox hardware will remain unchanged from Halo1 to Halo2.  What are you trying to say?  The point remains, whether it performs better than an identically setup PC or not (It does I grant you), it's still a few generations old already.  

6)  1080i is 1920X1080.  not 1440X1080.  Actually I don't know where the hell you pulled that number from.  And with my P2 2.0, Geforce 440MX and 1/2GB ram, I get perfect rendering at 1900X1600X16 and 1600X1200X32, thank you.  The xbox would choke on its own vomit and die at those resolutions and color depths.

7)  I beat Halo on Legendary.  I showed my friend the Legendary ending before it was released on the Xbox Mag demo disc.  Playing with a joystick makes it real?  Hmm.  I think you just like to play with your vibrating joystick.

 No, Doom is the first game I can remember centered around an alien invasion.  I didn't say HL was.  I said "It sells games" meaining that yes HL and Doom and Duke nukem et al used the plot scenario.  Again, I'll stick to the remedial reading level from now on.

9)  You don't really have an argument here.  Reviewers said the same thing I did about the repetitive textures and map styles.

I'm not biased.  No reason to be.  opinionated?  Sure.

[richardnixon]

I would say Halo 2 for the xbox since half-life 2 and doom 3 will only be able to be fully appreciated on the pc.

[Sykotek]

And wipeout kicks ass too.  I bought a PS1 just to get that game.  That and Rage Racer.