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Monoxide-Child

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« Reply #90 on: May 02, 2004, 10:03:00 AM »
A read only bios seems kind of far fetched to me.  M$ obviously made great efforts to shrink this board down.  If the bios was read only (and therefore pre-flashed before being integrated) the LPC would be gone.  That's the only purpose the LPC serves to M$.  So, wherever the new flash rom is (inside the Xyclops or on the underside), it is still going to be flashable, and it will still be flashable from the LPC bus.  The factory Bios has to get there somehow, people.

Besides, why would M$ order X million units of a read-only bios, when if they updated the firmware, they'd have to order a whole new batch of chips?  They are trying to cut costs, not increase waste.  

The Bios being on the HDD is a total impossibility.  The Bios controls HDD functions (not to mention unlocking the HDD so it can be accessed), so it's not possible for the XBox to load a Bios from the HD.  

The serial EEPROM that everyone keeps thinking could be large enough for a Bios could not be.  It's only 256kbits, maybe 512kbits.  The old TSOP on a 1.2-1.4 was 2Mbits, or 256kbytes.  1 byte = 8bits.  Besides, that same EEPROM was on all the previous XBox's.  I'm not certain, but it probably holds the key for your locked HDD.  

Underboard shots will be necessary.  Hands down.  Without those, though, these are about as solid a fact you can get from the previous pictures, and the way that computers function.
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« Reply #91 on: May 02, 2004, 10:09:00 AM »
Well, it looks like the new BIOS chip or whatever controls what the PIC used to control as well. (unless is on the bottom)  Someone mentioned earlier that the ICS was the PIC, and that is wrong, its the network chip, still the same.  The EEPROM looks like its to the right of the LPC now, so that just leaves the 1 chip to control PIC functions as well as BIOS.  Of course, it could be a more advanced PIC and the bios could be on the bottom.

I dont know about anyone else, but I think this is more exciting than anything.  This is gonna give another shot of adrenaline to the xbox community.  

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lordvader129

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« Reply #92 on: May 02, 2004, 10:48:00 AM »
QUOTE (M@n!ac @ May 2 2004, 12:50 PM)
No, the crystal LE xbox has a Focus video encoder chip inside.

someone found an xcalibur chip in a crystal LE, he never took any pics, i dont know if it had the full 1.6 motherboard though

at first i though it was just a hoax, since he never posted any pics and kinda vanished, but now seeing the xcalibur chip in this i guess it was real
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fujitech

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« Reply #93 on: May 02, 2004, 11:05:00 AM »
Lets get things straight!
NO CRYSTAL HAS XCALIBER VIDEO DECODER

a reference to that video decoder was made in latest XDK

They presumed that crystal would have the new video decoder!
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M@n!ac

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« Reply #94 on: May 02, 2004, 11:22:00 AM »
QUOTE (lordvader129 @ May 2 2004, 07:48 PM)
someone found an xcalibur chip in a crystal LE, he never took any pics, i dont know if it had the full 1.6 motherboard though

at first i though it was just a hoax, since he never posted any pics and kinda vanished, but now seeing the xcalibur chip in this i guess it was real

No. He had been able to get a Crystal Xbox and the video chipset had the inscription "XLB" and not "Xcalibur".

http://www.xbox-scen...FZpJDPGBATA.php
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« Reply #95 on: May 02, 2004, 11:28:00 AM »
this xcalibur chip has a diff. dimension then the focus/conexant ... so it can't be on the old board design.
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Monoxide-Child

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« Reply #96 on: May 02, 2004, 11:42:00 AM »
QUOTE (fasmanza @ May 2 2004, 08:07 PM)
it seems M$ are replacing all the standerd chips with their own,

Whats next no more pentuim 3 cpu's but Xentuim and Xvidia?

M$ owns no foundry.  They are paying someone to screen their logo and their numbers onto an off-the-shelf chip.  Though it is possible, I sincerely doubt that Intel and nVidia will do the same.  Their chips were one of the XBox's selling points.

M$ is a software company, that has started marketing their console.  Every part of the XBox, down to final assembly, is contracted out.  The new chips are silkscreened with their logo, probably as a part of a contract with the foundry to get them cheaper.
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« Reply #97 on: May 02, 2004, 01:03:00 PM »
QUOTE (Kraven_UK @ May 2 2004, 05:31 PM)
Further to my previous posts, I have now checked for alignment of the new D0 point to the older points, I look like it is not in the same place.
But untill I can get some images of the 2 boards that are taken at the same angle I can only guess.

What I thought was the D0 point is around 1/4mm out of place.

what are you talking about?  I dont see how you can possibly even guess where a point would be by simply looking at a picture.  Furthermore, I believe that 'd0' refers to a data line, specific to the TSOP packaging type; no tsop = no d0.  Feel free to correct me if I am mistaken..
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fujitech

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« Reply #98 on: May 02, 2004, 01:06:00 PM »
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Kraven_UK

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« Reply #99 on: May 02, 2004, 01:08:00 PM »
QUOTE (heinrich @ May 2 2004, 10:03 PM)
Furthermore, I believe that 'd0' refers to a data line, specific to the TSOP packaging type; no tsop = no d0.  Feel free to correct me if I am mistaken..

You maybe right. I always thought the D0 acted as a switch to allow booting from the LPC. and had nothing to do with the TSOP.

And just because the 'Normal' TSOP has gone does not mean to say it's not there!

Whats more, as my posts said I'm only guessing, just like everyone else here.
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Zomas

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« Reply #100 on: May 02, 2004, 01:13:00 PM »
QUOTE (M@n!ac @ May 2 2004, 08:22 PM)
No. He had been able to get a Crystal Xbox and the video chipset had the inscription "XLB" and not "Xcalibur".

This guy didn't have a Crystal Limited Edition XBOX which is only sold in europe. He had a australian Special Halo Edition XBOX which is clear green. When people started asking for pictures he dissapeared. All other people in that thread reported that their Halo Edition's had Focus encoders.

http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=183657
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pROvIs

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« Reply #101 on: May 02, 2004, 01:59:00 PM »
I HAVE THREE OF THESE BOXS  I'll get pics later tongiht im busy now have to be somewhere 10 minutes agi.


Two of the mare spoken for.  Make me an offer if you want the last one  PM me.  you can try emailing me at [email protected] but my email has been down over the weekend so best way is PM


Also i have only opened one so far (i will check others before shipping them)  and it had a seagate with a phillips drive.


Edit:  Update all three checked and confirmed 1.6s.  All have phillips and Seagates.  PM of Email me if interested @ [email protected]
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Zomas

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« Reply #102 on: May 02, 2004, 02:18:00 PM »
QUOTE (TigerHawk @ May 2 2004, 10:39 PM)
No, he didn't have a Halo Xbox... he said it if you read the whole thread... he said it was normal


Ehm?...seems to me it is YOU who didn't read the whole thread.

QUOTE (bourke @ Mar 3 2004, 12:22 PM)
I have just opened my spanking new green Crystal Limited Edition Xbox

QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Mar 5 2004, 12:10 PM)
Heh, green crystal smile.gif. I hope bourke can answer before 12 march smile.gif.

QUOTE (bourke @ Mar 6 2004, 04:44 PM)
It's like the boring white one shown here:
http://www.ladydragon.com/020204.html

Except the Australian ones are coloured a groovy GREEN!


They are boxed with Halo and a matching green controller.

QUOTE (bourke @ Mar 12 2004, 12:09 PM)
OK, I had a customer just bring their Green Halo edition Xbox in and it had:


* Philips DVD - Manufactured: December 03 - also reads CDRs :-)
* Focus video decoder
* Kernel 5713


I successfully TSOP flashed it with the EvoX M7.

Seems like some of them are version 1.5 maybe?

QUOTE (A.Z.BEST® @ Mar 17 2004, 12:29 PM)
bourke, can you tell me, are you from Australia or from Asia, cause my friends are very confused about that Halo edition pack (Halo fans wink.gif)... where did you get one?

QUOTE (bourke @ Mar 21 2004, 12:52 PM)
Yes, I am from Australia - the Halo pack sells for about US$240 here.

QUOTE (mac4drew @ Apr 13 2004, 05:37 AM)
OK I have a question about exactly which XBox you have because what you have said names two separate XBoxes... there is the
European Limited Crystal Edition which is clear white and the
XBox special Halo edition which is clear green. 

I think everyone on this thread believes you are talking about the European Limited Crystal Edition when you are actually talking about the Halo Special edition


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« Reply #103 on: May 02, 2004, 02:29:00 PM »
QUOTE (Kraven_UK @ May 2 2004, 06:08 PM)
You maybe right. I always thought the D0 acted as a switch to allow booting from the LPC. and had nothing to do with the TSOP.

And d0 does act as a switch, by reading data from the tsop.  grounding this line results in an error in reading, and the xbox boots from the lpc bus.
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And just because the 'Normal' TSOP has gone does not mean to say it's not there!

Whats more, as my posts said I'm only guessing, just like everyone else here.

http://www.practical...ts.com/tsop.htm
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TSOP Type I / Type II
Thin Small Outline Package

TSOP packages are thin body size components; thickness is 1.0mm. TSOP packages have four sides and are rectangular. Type I TSOPs have the leads protruding from the width portion of the package. Type II TSOPs have the leads protruding from the length portion of the package. Lead counts range from 28 to 48. Package body size ranges from 8 x 14mm to 12 x 20mm.

Where do you see a chip that matches that matches that description ?  Besides the "ICS" chip, which exact function seems to be disputed, but it definitely on every previous xbox version, located right 'above' the serial eeprom.

Again, feel free to correct me if I am wrong..
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« Reply #104 on: May 02, 2004, 02:54:00 PM »
I was just wondering what RAINCOAT says about the BIOS

Just run raincoat with the 007 hack .... it should still work... since its a game bug.. not a hardware bug..

b shure to only dump the bios with raincoat...smile.gif this should still work

and then make the bios available.. so we can make a compare with the old bioses.

Regards,
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