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« on: November 02, 2005, 04:05:00 PM »

hey guys, my dad wants to take my pc because his old one, windows 98 hah, junked out. so im giving him mine. in return he is going to buy me a new laptop because thats what i want. i have only had desktops in my life, so I've been trying to do as much research as i can on laptops. So I was wondering if I could get some recommendations from you guys. I will mainly use the laptop for:
internet
school work, im a junoir in high school
maybe some games, ive never looked into pc games
i would like it to be upgradable is possible
transportation becuase i will be bringing it to my moms every weekend
i really want it to run smooth and fast
watching movies so a nice quality lcd.

well thats about it. my budget would run to about no more than 1500, preferably around 1200 or something. well, thanks to everyone who helps out.

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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2005, 09:41:00 PM »

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Toshiba is pretty good.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2005, 12:10:00 AM »

I just got a laptop not to long ago and I like it alot more than my desktop....it' just neater. But, there's alot to know when shopping for one because you can easiley get ripped off. I got mine for 550 andit's just a basic compaq....some of the laptops go up to like 2,000.00 and the main difference is the CPU power with more ram. Here's the simple fact, if your a gamer you will utilize it.... but in my opinion, even the fastest laptops aren't really good enough for a major PC game....don't forget to that you won't get high ATA speeds on the HD in Laptops so you'll still never achieve a real high speed. But if your not a gamer I have no idea why you would need that much power. I'm not a gamer and my laptop has been more than power for me. I use mine for internet, dvd movies, as a remote control for winamp networked to my PC, for spreadsheets, and for progamming. If I was to buy a more expensive one, it would only be for a widescreen because that's the only thing I can see myself really utilizeing. Widescreen Laptops are smaller than the regular ones, but I'm not sure if I would like that in the long run because I enjoy the large platform I have to place my hands on for typeing on the keyboard....it's very comfortable because my hands don't really go off the edge.

As for upgradeing, I don't think there is a whole lot you can do compare to a reg. PC, but I would recomend getting one where you can upgrade the Battery. Battery life SUCKS for laptops and if you were to dish out any extra money I would do it on the battery and get the largest cell battery available for the unit that you buy.

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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2005, 12:33:00 PM »

QUOTE(dman7 @ Nov 3 2005, 03:14 AM)
I just got a laptop not to long ago and I like it alot more than my desktop....it' just neater. But, there's alot to know when shopping for one because you can easiley get ripped off. I got mine for 550 andit's just a basic compaq....some of the laptops go up to like 2,000.00 and the main difference is the CPU power with more ram. Here's the simple fact, if your a gamer you will utilize it.... but in my opinion, even the fastest laptops aren't really good enough for a major PC game....don't forget to that you won't get high ATA speeds on the HD in Laptops so you'll still never achieve a real high speed. But if your not a gamer I have no idea why you would need that much power. I'm not a gamer and my laptop has been more than power for me. I use mine for internet, dvd movies, as a remote control for winamp networked to my PC, for spreadsheets, and for progamming. If I was to buy a more expensive one, it would only be for a widescreen because that's the only thing I can see myself really utilizeing. Widescreen Laptops are smaller than the regular ones, but I'm not sure if I would like that in the long run because I enjoy the large platform I have to place my hands on for typeing on the keyboard....it's very comfortable because my hands don't really go off the edge.

As for upgradeing, I don't think there is a whole lot you can do compare to a reg. PC, but I would recomend getting one where you can upgrade the Battery. Battery life SUCKS for laptops and if you were to dish out any extra money I would do it on the battery and get the largest cell battery available for the unit that you buy.

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To the poster above this one, he didn't say he was in junior high. He said he was a junior in high school.

To the quoted poster... u posted nothing BUT misinformation.
u said even the fastest laptops are not enough for a major pc game. That's hilarious. I have a dell xps gen2 with a 6800 ultra in it and I get almost 6000 3dmarks. At stock clocks I get mid 5000's. I can run battlefield 2 with everything on high quality and never drop below 60 fps. Of course fsaa and af are not all the way up but there's very few high end desktops that can do that.  Also, my video card and my processor clock down when on battery power. My screen dims and so now it's not for gaming it's portable. This allows me around 3 hours of battery life. For a machine this powerful that's pretty good. All laptop's from the last 10 years have interchangeable batteries. How can you recommend he get the largest cell battery for his laptop? What if he uses an ultra-portable? Would u really want to weight it down even after it's highly efficient already? The bottom line is, if you're looking for a laptop there's one out there for you. Decide how you're going to use it and get the one that best suits your needs. Mine has upgradeable cpu and video card as well. if u decide to go with dell wait for their coupons. I got my laptop for 40% off.

Edit: also I saw how u said u'd get slow ata speeds. I have a 7200rpm drive that is pretty comparable to desktop speeds. Actually my whole notebook is comparable to desktop speeds. The days of notebooks not being able to compete with desktops are dead. It is now very possible.
All widescreen laptops are smaller? Really? Go look at the laptop I have and tell me that again. haha I'm wondering where u got your information.
get with the times junior things change. Don't provide misinformation.

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2005, 12:49:00 PM »

In my experience, Centrino technology is horrible at mutlitasking and gaming, despite what Intel says.  I had a really nice Sony Vaio 640 (I forget the exact model number, I sold it after like 3 months of having it), so don't say it was because it was a crappy laptop.

I had an eMachines with an Athlon 64 and it was pretty damn fast.  Athlon 64s in my experience are pretty good at multitasking and gaming, and run everything overall pretty well.  However, I do not recommend eMachines because the hardware (not technology) they use is crap; mine had to get serviced 4 times before I got a replacement laptop (which is how I got the Vaio).


If you do plan on any gaming, do not get an integrated Intel video "card," because that takes the video memory out of the regular memory.
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2005, 01:20:00 PM »

QUOTE(ridefour15 @ Nov 3 2005, 03:53 PM)
In my experience, Centrino technology is horrible at mutlitasking and gaming, despite what Intel says.  I had a really nice Sony Vaio 640 (I forget the exact model number, I sold it after like 3 months of having it), so don't say it was because it was a crappy laptop.

I had an eMachines with an Athlon 64 and it was pretty damn fast.  Athlon 64s in my experience are pretty good at multitasking and gaming, and run everything overall pretty well.  However, I do not recommend eMachines because the hardware (not technology) they use is crap; mine had to get serviced 4 times before I got a replacement laptop (which is how I got the Vaio).
If you do plan on any gaming, do not get an integrated Intel video "card," because that takes the video memory out of the regular memory.
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Well I value your opinion and I can only speak my opinion as well. There are several different flavors of "centrino" and I suppose the guide over at tom's hardware can explain that very well. In my experince with my 770 I have loved every thing about it. I really didn't think I would. Others apparently feel the same way because they are now making an adapter for pentium 4 motherboards to use these processors. THey are more efficient. THis means for every small amount of current they draw more of it goes to processing data rather than lost as heat. This enables a lower clocked processor to perform as well as a higher clocked p4. This also allows for less power consumption. I've heard the far fetched claims that in benchmarks a 770 (2.13ghz) will be on par with a 3ghz p4. In my experience with this cpu it has been great for applications but let's not forget that today's GAMES do not rely very heavily on cpu anymore. THey are primaly gpu intensive.
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2005, 02:42:00 PM »

QUOTE(BCfosheezy @ Nov 3 2005, 09:37 PM)
To the poster above this one, he didn't say he was in junior high. He said he was a junior in high school.

To the quoted poster... u posted nothing BUT misinformation.
u said even the fastest laptops are not enough for a major pc game. That's hilarious. I have a dell xps gen2 with a 6800 ultra in it and I get almost 6000 3dmarks. At stock clocks I get mid 5000's. I can run battlefield 2 with everything on high quality and never drop below 60 fps. Of course fsaa and af are not all the way up but there's very few high end desktops that can do that.  Also, my video card and my processor clock down when on battery power. My screen dims and so now it's not for gaming it's portable. This allows me around 3 hours of battery life. For a machine this powerful that's pretty good. All laptop's from the last 10 years have interchangeable batteries. How can you recommend he get the largest cell battery for his laptop? What if he uses an ultra-portable? Would u really want to weight it down even after it's highly efficient already? The bottom line is, if you're looking for a laptop there's one out there for you. Decide how you're going to use it and get the one that best suits your needs. Mine has upgradeable cpu and video card as well. if u decide to go with dell wait for their coupons. I got my laptop for 40% off.

Edit: also I saw how u said u'd get slow ata speeds. I have a 7200rpm drive that is pretty comparable to desktop speeds. Actually my whole notebook is comparable to desktop speeds. The days of notebooks not being able to compete with desktops are dead. It is now very possible.
All widescreen laptops are smaller? Really? Go look at the laptop I have and tell me that again. haha I'm wondering where u got your information.
get with the times junior things change. Don't provide misinformation.
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Well, I guess if you find someone, like the poster in the qoute above,  who bought a laptop and spent between $1000-$2000 they will get offended by it because deep down inside they might feel guilty or foolish for spending so much money. But anyways, no...I don't beilive that a high end laptop will equal a high end pc. Furthermore, PC games develop pretty fast in the area of requireing speed so if your laptop does handle the most taxing pc game, it probably won't in 6 months. With a PC you at least have more room to upgrade individual parts to try and keep up. An IDEA PC harddrive will most always be faster than a hard drive for a laptop. And if you do find an uncommon laptop HD with 133 ATA speed I dought seriousely that the motherboard that came with your laptop will support the speed.

 Speaking from persoanl experience, I have a laptop and the battery is 6 cell and doesn't last more than 2 hours. With the model laptop I have, there isn't a 12 cell replacement that offers more hours like other models have.  

And, the higher end laptops have wide screens, which goes along also with higher end laptops are smaller and less bulky. No one told me, I went shopping and saw for myself.
 
The originial poster said he really wasn't into video games. So what in the world would he need all that power for?

And furthermore, big deal if your videocard is updateable. Just because it's upgradeable doesn't mean you can put the most bad ass up to date video card in it. You might just just be able to upgrade it with a videocard that isn't much better than the one you got. It all depends on the motherboard.

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haha I'm wondering where u got your information.
get with the times junior things change. Don't provide misinformation.


Stop being so defensive and such a bitch because you like to throw money away. If you got the money that's fine, but it's not necessary to go get a $1000.00 to $2000.00 laptop for someone that doesn't even have a career yet or even a gamer.

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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2005, 05:29:00 AM »

yeah, im a junoir in high school, but anyway. the budget is that high because my desktop was 1300, so thats the range my dad said he would go up for. by no means am I saying i WONT buy a laptop for under 1000, but I just havent seen any laptops that are fast and have a good hd size. so if anyone would post some examples of what they recommend, that would be great. i mainly want this for portability.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2005, 08:38:00 AM »

QUOTE(dman7 @ Nov 3 2005, 05:46 PM)
Well, I guess if you find someone, like the poster in the qoute above,  who bought a laptop and spent between $1000-$2000 they will get offended by it because deep down inside they might feel guilty or foolish for spending so much money. But anyways, no...I don't beilive that a high end laptop will equal a high end pc. Furthermore, PC games develop pretty fast in the area of requireing speed so if your laptop does handle the most taxing pc game, it probably won't in 6 months. With a PC you at least have more room to upgrade individual parts to try and keep up. An IDEA PC harddrive will most always be faster than a hard drive for a laptop. And if you do find an uncommon laptop HD with 133 ATA speed I dought seriousely that the motherboard that came with your laptop will support the speed.

 Speaking from persoanl experience, I have a laptop and the battery is 6 cell and doesn't last more than 2 hours. With the model laptop I have, there isn't a 12 cell replacement that offers more hours like other models have. 

And, the higher end laptops have wide screens, which goes along also with higher end laptops are smaller and less bulky. No one told me, I went shopping and saw for myself.
 
The originial poster said he really wasn't into video games. So what in the world would he need all that power for?

And furthermore, big deal if your videocard is updateable. Just because it's upgradeable doesn't mean you can put the most bad ass up to date video card in it. You might just just be able to upgrade it with a videocard that isn't much better than the one you got. It all depends on the motherboard.
Stop being so defensive and such a bitch because you like to throw money away. If you got the money that's fine, but it's not necessary to go get a $1000.00 to $2000.00 laptop for someone that doesn't even have a career yet or even a gamer.
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Everything you tried to slam me on was covered in my previous posts. Oh I like to throw money away? Like I previously stated I waited on a 40% off deal. I probably paid close to what you paid but got a far superior system for my needs. Also, I don't think that a top of the line laptop will outperform a top of the line desktop but the lines are blurred now and in the case of this dell xps it will outperform or at least hang with all but the highest end desktops. Your talk about my laptop not handling games in six months is rediculous on a couple of notes and a little research will make you feel stupid. The 7800gtx is available for my notebook as an upgrade right now and it is currently the highest end mobile graphics card. They have guaranteed video upgradeability in these notebooks. Like I said times are changing... deal with it. You said it all depends on the motherboard. My laptop is identical to a desktop in that it uses pci express. It uses the mobile standard but none the less a standard and therefore allows for easier future upgrades.
Now we get to the part where you call me a bitch. I won't reply to that with anything other than it takes a pretty small man to call another man a bitch over the internet. If you think you'd be willing to say that face to face I welcome that... nay I encourage that. I don't see why you'd get so upset at me pointing out that you provided misinformation more than once in one of your posts but I don't care why, I'd rather just solve the problem. At any rate all it takes is a little investigative work to see that I didn't spend the amount of money you're talking about so you're wrong there as well as the rest of your points.
Reform the way you deal with people because from what I see here you are on the wrong path junior.
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2005, 08:53:00 AM »

QUOTE(basso4735 @ Nov 4 2005, 07:29 AM)
yeah, im a junoir in high school, but anyway. the budget is that high because my desktop was 1300, so thats the range my dad said he would go up for. by no means am I saying i WONT buy a laptop for under 1000, but I just havent seen any laptops that are fast and have a good hd size. so if anyone would post some examples of what they recommend, that would be great. i mainly want this for portability.
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You listed a broad range of capabilities you'd like to have your laptop carry out. If you're going to use it as your primary pc I'd recommend staying away from ultraportables. These usually have tiny screens and tiny keyboards. If you want a large sreen, quite a bit of power and the ability to play some games at a decent price.... I'd recommend the Dell i9300. If you check the dell outlet you can get a refurbished one for pretty cheap. I'm not sure if you can apply the coupons to dell outlet machines or not. I would think probably not. I definitely recommend lurking around the NoteBook Forums for a while. There is a huge amount of information available there that will help you gain knowledge instead of an xbox forums with people like dman7 providing a wealth of misinformation and then flaming because he was wrong.
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2005, 04:30:00 PM »

yea, the 9300 looks pretty good, but im having trouble with dell.com so i cant customize it. i also like the alienware  m5700. what processor speed do you think is good enough for what you said about being decent for playing games and have a bit of power?

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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2005, 08:56:00 PM »

after trolling around the notebook forums for a few hours today, i've really grown to like the Sager's. they seem to be exactly what i want. http://www.pctorque.com/builder.php?type=80
this one has a beautiful screen, a decent video card(not sure if i should look for one with a 256MB NVIDA® GeForce™ Go 6800, instead of the 128), nice processor. what do you guys think of that one? what will the 256 card do better for me?
also, i have been trying to look at the 9300, but i cannot get on dell.com for some reason.

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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2005, 03:27:00 PM »

not that anyone cares but i decided to go with the asus z70va.
i still cant decide if the upgrade from 1.86 to 2.0 is worth it. i odnt want to be kicking myself later one when I wish multitasking could be faster. well, i kinda just decided. 2.0 woot.
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