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Cospefogo

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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2007, 12:01:00 PM »

QUOTE(Timerever @ Mar 4 2007, 04:11 PM) *

Also, don't tell people to use hardware filters instead of flicker filter to solve flickering, just because it works on your TV doesn't mean it works on all TVs, the fliker filter is a special hardware trick designed to reduce flicker so do use it even if it blurs the image more since it will work for sure.
I think that's all, if I remember something I'll tell you.


Thanks for the info, Timerever!
I will be adding it right now to the tutorial section.

By the way, when I say about using hardware filter instead flicker filter
it's just a *suggestion*. I know it works fine for me but might absolutely
not work in other television. If I am not wrong, I did state this clearer
there in some place of the text.

Cheers,
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2007, 07:08:00 AM »

It's a good guide and all but most people if not all run XB on High Def widescreen TV's and without filters the emulators look atrocious.
Good guide for those who still view old relics.
My thoughts are if you can make an old game look better thanks to advance techniques then why not.
If I want accuracy then I'd run the actual console in question.
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2007, 07:38:00 AM »

Nice work.
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Cospefogo

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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2007, 08:38:00 AM »

QUOTE(-{TETSUO}- @ Mar 5 2007, 11:39 AM) *

It's a good guide and all but most people if not all run XB on High Def widescreen TV's and without filters the emulators look atrocious.
Good guide for those who still view old relics.
My thoughts are if you can make an old game look better thanks to advance techniques then why not.
If I want accuracy then I'd run the actual console in question.



Hello Shima-san!
O genki dessssss ka?

I understand perfectly your statement, specially in countries like USA and
Europe ones, where everybody can buy Hi-Def widescreen TVS for accessible
prices and it is really a common thing to do that.

Here in Brazil Hi Def TVS are for the rich people only, and anything
related to electronics is absolutely damn expensive. (I hate this!!!!!!!!)

While in USA 9 of 10 people has high definition devices in their homes
in Brazil 9 in 10 people does not. Sad but true.

Also, you say you like to make a old game look better with
nowadays ways on graphic enhancement, correct? I agree!
For Hi Def television it really should be done!

But for me, a CRT user by option, such improvements
make the games transform into something they never were.

You know, it's a question of opinion!
I love the pixels!
(c:

Cheers!!!
Cospefogo.
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Vejita

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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2007, 10:39:00 PM »

Cospefogo,

A friend of mine owns the 21" Samsung Slimfit you have and I simply find it to be an awful TV with horrible geometry and DIGITAL PROCESSING.

What you should really get is a 21" or 29" 4:3 Sony Trinitron. Sony Trinitron TVs are simply the best non-HDTV analogue TVs ever made. Trust me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2007, 11:21:00 PM »

I got Amiga monitor Philips CM8832-II (which i modified for RGB 21 pin) and really enjoy quality of picture on this
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Cospefogo

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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2007, 04:21:00 AM »

QUOTE(Vejita @ Mar 7 2007, 03:10 AM) *

Cospefogo,

A friend of mine owns the 21" Samsung Slimfit you have and I simply find it to be an awful TV with horrible geometry and DIGITAL PROCESSING.

What you should really get is a 21" or 29" 4:3 Sony Trinitron. Sony Trinitron TVs are simply the best non-HDTV analogue TVs ever made. Trust me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



Hmmm... Thanks for the tip!
Do you friend know about the ultra hyper super complete Service Mode
for geometry and all other kind of "secret adjustments"?

With TV OFF, press on the remote control:
MUTE, 1, 8 and 2 - and turn the TV ON.
To exit this Secret Menus, just power off the TV.

BE CAREFUL --- You can really MESS the TV doing this. It writes
directly to the firmware and THERE IS NO WAY to RESET TO DEFAULTS.

Cheers!
Cospefogo.

PS. Are you and your friend from Brazil?
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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2007, 07:21:00 AM »

Well, I came back to ask another question.

I'm playing an old CD of mine in DosXbox and the default settings for the game are 320x200.

I'm wondering if there is a mathematical God here, that visits this site, what would be the correction ratio to have it displayed in letterbox form on a standard 4:3 television (Sony Trinitron).

I really like Cospefogo's solution of playing XBoyAdvance in his widescreen mode and I'm hoping that there is a similar solution that can do the same for DosXbox.

Cheers.
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Retroplay

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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2007, 09:04:00 AM »

QUOTE(BonusJz @ Mar 7 2007, 06:52 AM) *

I got Amiga monitor Philips CM8832-II (which i modified for RGB 21 pin) and really enjoy quality of picture on this


Do you have the diagrams for building that cable?
I still have my Commodore 1084S monitor which basically is the same as yours. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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Vejita

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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2007, 08:10:00 PM »

QUOTE(Cospefogo @ Mar 7 2007, 10:52 AM) *

Hmmm... Thanks for the tip!
Do you friend know about the ultra hyper super complete Service Mode
for geometry and all other kind of "secret adjustments"?

With TV OFF, press on the remote control:
MUTE, 1, 8 and 2 - and turn the TV ON.
To exit this Secret Menus, just power off the TV.

BE CAREFUL --- You can really MESS the TV doing this. It writes
directly to the firmware and THERE IS NO WAY to RESET TO DEFAULTS.

Cheers!
Cospefogo.

PS. Are you and your friend from Brazil?


Yeah I know about the service menu. Its how I found out for sure that the set does some digital processing to the image (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Geometry can't be fixed to look very good by my standards on the Samsung. If there was maybe a H-Linearity option in the service menu the TVs geometry wouldn't be as bad but the digital processing still puts me off and the major killer of the Slimfit design is the picture loses lots of resolution towards both sides of the screen and you can notice a honeycomb-like pattern due to this. This goes for the 21" Slimfit and even the CRT HDTV Slimfits.

PS: I'm not from Brazil, I'm from the UK but I wish the weather was like Brazils (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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Cospefogo

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« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2007, 08:54:00 PM »

QUOTE(Vejita @ Mar 8 2007, 12:41 AM) *

(...) the major killer of the Slimfit design is the picture loses lots of resolution towards both sides of the screen and you can notice a honeycomb-like pattern due to this. This goes for the 21" Slimfit and even the CRT HDTV Slimfits(...)



Oh...
 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
I must agree.

Well, the SlimFit TVs really has a weird problem towards left and right margins of the screen,
but *I need to* get used to it since there is no way of buying another TV soon.
I will not say the picture loses lots of resolution, but really there is a problem there.

At least making comparison of my TV against the other CRTs from my friends
I am still the winner, using 480i video components and 720x480 modes on Xport
the flicker simply have vanished!

And please, do not desire our horrible and hot summer.
I hate the january and february weather. If you walk too much
under the sun you can have your brain cooked inside your skull right on the run.
Ha!

Cheers!
Cospefogo.
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2007, 04:46:00 AM »

QUOTE
Do you have the diagrams for building that cable?
I still have my Commodore 1084S monitor which basically is the same as yours.


Are you shure that it dont have 21 pin (look on picture below)
(IMG:http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/7237/15719752925zu.th.jpg)
(one guy buy this monitor on allegro for less than 7$ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) )

As for my cable - i was make this so long time ago (for conecting psx) that i dont now where/if i have one.
But try to look/ask here:
GamesX
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Retroplay

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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2007, 06:44:00 AM »

There's no scart connector in the 1084S.
it's a 9-pin D connector it uses for RGB signals.
There was a scart connector in an old 1081 model I used to have.
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BonusJz

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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2007, 08:36:00 PM »

Closeup of previous picture

I try to look more for this or write wire connections

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Vejita

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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2007, 06:52:00 PM »

QUOTE(Cospefogo @ Mar 8 2007, 03:25 AM) *

(...)Well, the SlimFit TVs really has a weird problem towards left and right margins of the screen,
but *I need to* get used to it since there is no way of buying another TV soon.
I will not say the picture loses lots of resolution, but really there is a problem there
And please, do not desire our horrible and hot summer.
I hate the january and february weather. If you walk too much
under the sun you can have your brain cooked inside your skull right on the run.(...)


Just as I was complaining about the Slimfits problems Samsung comes through and scores a big one!

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070220/20070220006305.html?.v=1

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The first two SlimFit widescreen models, measuring 29-inches and 32-inches diagonally, feature vibrant colors and crisp video images even in the corners where the scanning beam is at maximum deflection. Samsung selected the PW9050L because it overcomes a significant technical hurdle of picture uniformity through its unique DHC technology.

Samsung was able to accurately customize the deflection requirements using Pixelworks' DHC technology and integrated test patterns to perfect the image on any slim cathode ray tube.


New fixed model: http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/SlimFit...=Specifications

This makes getting a CRT HDTV in the UK feasible now but I will have to see the TV in a store before I buy the new improved model but thank goodness Samsung have acknowledged and fixed the problem (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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