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[DaddyJ]

He's basically saying that m$ is throwing there best code our way, so the guru's of the xbox world can crack it, m$ can patch it, to create a harder & stronger platform for their next system.

[Angerwound]

Absolutely amazing description of the ApiLog Pedros. Might have you consult a few logs of my own to figure out what's happening exactly.  

[The_Truth]

is the rumor true that xbox 2 will not be able to play xbox 1 disks? if so, we would then just be teaching them... and hardening their software for xbox 2

[NME]

Cheers DaddyJ for fixing what i was sayyin i wrote it during a match online. =) in a hurry didnt proof read it. I'm amazed u understood it. i tried to go back and edit it but for some reason theres no edit buttion at the mow?

[fghjj]

If caustik's speculations are true and the Xbox2 PowerPC cores do indeed use anti-buffer-overflow techniques, then there's nothing that needs to be "hardened" by us for MS.

[DaddyJ]

I dont think that thier defense is just software based, they got hurt in thier first running, they dont want to substain much more damage in the future.

Look at what happen to the dreamcast.  lol

[eh.]

QUOTE (YoshiKool @ Dec 2 2004, 12:14 PM)

hmm... thanks eh... this is very strange. do the games function correctly from CD? like the same as the retail games would? maybe.. ms have something they need to distract us from for the moment.. and are using these xbe's to do this.. hmm..

The initial setup was slow from CD-RW on my box, but worked fine (and thereafter most of what it needs is on the HDD so it's much quicker) eh.

I suspect they released it this way for reasons such as those in this linked post eh...

[eh.]

("Edit" re "worked fine" above [but the edit button wasn't available]: I've only booted and installed with it though, as I don't have XBL eh.)

@Pedro: your (incredible!) logger analysis references the 4D5300C800000001.dat file at the end... any idea what it uses that for?  Also, I wonder what it's doing re partition0 eh?

[DaddyJ]

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Device\Harddisk0\partition0 Map drive E:.

[eh.]

(E's partition1 though eh. )

[DaddyJ]

Maybe pedro knows sumpthin we dont.

[eh.]

No doubt that's true as he is the UberGuru of this stuff (but not always perfect) eh.

[krayzie]

QUOTE (DaddyJ @ Dec 3 2004, 02:25 PM)

I dont think that thier defense is just software based, they got hurt in thier first running, they dont want to substain much more damage in the future. Look at what happen to the dreamcast.  lol

It wouldn't surprise me though if m$ always left some doors open for us modders to play with. Don't forget the easyness of modding an xbox is a major reason for the succes of the xbox. I think the biggest purpose of releasing the xbox was just to make name like sony did with it's psone so they have a much bigger chance of suceeding with the next generation consoles. And I must say they have done a hell of a job.

[eh.]

("Edit" re "the UberGuru" in my previous post: I should have said "along with rmenhal, of course" eh! )

Back to the topic, kind of... the dashupdate.xbe on the CD's the first of its kind for another reason too (SFAIK).  Although it contains 185ead00 as expected, that's not what the certificate states.  M$ have given it a very low Version# so it only updates pre-live dash's (and XBL's used to update older live enabled dash's) eh.

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Edit: I'm aware of the 15 minutes available for Member post edits now eh...

[PedrosPad]

QUOTE (eh. @ Dec 4 2004, 04:17 AM)

@Pedro: your (incredible!) logger analysis references the 4D5300C800000001.dat file at the end... any idea what it uses that for?  Also, I wonder what it's doing re partition0 eh?

Yeah, odd that.  In the context, it seems like it uses zero based partition numbers [0-5], instead of the more common one based partition numbers [1-6].  Remember we're only only capturing the calls to one kernel function with this POC release.  It could be that the different M$ engineers that  wrote the different functions had different ideas (it wouldn't be the first time the "0 or 1 based numbers" argument would have raised it's head in software development ).  The files end up where expected on drives E: and Z:. - go figure.

Pure guess, but I suspect 4D5300C800000001.dat is used to record this title has been installed, and would prevent it being installed again.