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[chilin_dude]

QUOTE (Kthulu @ Oct 21 2004, 07:46 PM)

i don't think anything has been proven ..at least not when we orignially posted these comments.

Well, if you read in xbox-live forum it has been confirmed its not just soft exploiters  

[mckenn88]

so does ne1 kno how to get unbanned yet

[EthanHunt_IMF]

If you are running UDE/UXE and don't have a live account on the system.  Can your eeprom be banned simply by running D: 4920 or any Live/Live Aware game?

[southbark]

QUOTE (EthanHunt_IMF @ Oct 21 2004, 09:16 PM)

If you are running UDE/UXE and don't have a live account on the system.  Can your eeprom be banned simply by running D: 4920 or any Live/Live Aware game?

At this time it is possible,after NOV 9 this crap may stop,besides if you have no reason to go on live why would you even connect your xbox to an internet connection.

[PedrosPad]

QUOTE (PedrosPad @ Oct 21 2004, 05:02 PM)

The XBOXs serial number is used to log it on, using MS's Passport security engine, IIRC.

From https://www.xbox.com/en-US/signin.htm:

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Xbox Live Users Link your Gamertag to your .Net Passport and get access to all kinds of cool stuff, including developer interviews, music videos, fan profiles, exclusive game invitations, and more!

That explains the M$ .NET Passport connection.

[bikr]

QUOTE (xb0xb0y @ Oct 21 2004, 09:32 PM)

isn't that like a "no no" ... something on the lines of when Intel put unique IDs on there CPUs???

It was found to be legal in the intel case I believe.  Xbox has every right to track which boxes are connecting , they can use the excuse for marketing analysis etc..  

They can't however scan your drive or make changes to your drive without your concent , if you run live , they have your concent..  

[EthanHunt_IMF]

QUOTE (southbark @ Oct 22 2004, 02:02 AM)

At this time it is possible,after NOV 9 this crap may stop,besides if you have no reason to go on live why would you even connect your xbox to an internet connection.

XBC, XBMC, FTP are reasons for having my xbox connected to my router.

[garyopa]

I run a modding shop in Canada, and alot of my machines I modded
are coming back BANNED, and some are soft-modded and others
have the TSOP with a switch and even others have the fancy shit
like Xenium ICE, one with X3, etc.

The common factor in all the BANNED machines is the use of
homebrew software. Even see a machine with no files changed
on the C: drive, that was BANNED.

My theory is XBOX live new updates are BANNING machines with
"invalid" SAVE entrys on the E: drive, even from PAL games or
unreleased games or "HOMEBREW" software like DVD2XBOX, UnleashX, etc.

Any thoughts on this theory?

[Kthulu]

here's a thought...

what is the titleID (game-save dir) for halo2?  perhaps a piece of homebrew software is using the same titleID?  therefore, when they scan, they (ms) think you've got a halo2 game-save = ban

i know that's really hopeful thinking on my part, but i hate to think they are banning for having homebrew...that would just suck...but it's starting to sound like it's true.

[JimmyGoon]

Question... even if you don't login... do Live Aware games still report information to XBL if you have it plugged into the internet.

just curious about something. thanks.

[EthanHunt_IMF]

QUOTE (garyopa @ Oct 22 2004, 06:04 PM)

I run a modding shop in Canada, and alot of my machines I modded are coming back BANNED, and some are soft-modded and others have the TSOP with a switch and even others have the fancy shit like Xenium ICE, one with X3, etc. The common factor in all the BANNED machines is the use of homebrew software. Even see a machine with no files changed on the C: drive, that was BANNED. My theory is XBOX live new updates are BANNING machines with "invalid" SAVE entrys on the E: drive, even from PAL games or unreleased games or "HOMEBREW" software like DVD2XBOX, UnleashX, etc. Any thoughts on this theory?

Looking at some of the posts in the XBL forum, some people are reporting sucess on changing the HD when they change the EEPROM.  The current theory is that XBL is keeping track of the HD serial that was in the system the first time it signed up to XBL (or whenever they might have started keeping track of this info).  And if it varies from what their record says, BANNED.

[BloodGulch v2.0]

and what if u change it before live takes ur serial?

[garyopa]

I kept my LIVE account on my memory card, and been using the
same account for years on tons of machines for updating them,
testing them, and many machines with changed XBOX's, and
I never been BANNED, the only thing is I have NEVER copy the
LIVE file to a XBOX hard drive!

And it has always been on the SAME memory card, many they
track the "serial number" of the device where the XBOX live
account was CREATED on:

Maybe in the future, when people change their hard drive they
should use the RECOVERY feature to restore their LIVE account?

We have WAY to MANY IF's at the moment, we need more real
FACTS and some type of solid testing bed of series of tests.

[triggernum5]

Has anybody by any chance ever sent their box away for MS to service?  Would be interesting to be able to compare before/after scenarios..  (If the hdd/eeprom combo  was recorded, they would need to make acceptions incase of refurbs)
I'm highly doubting anybody on this site would pay them to do that though when you can get a 120GB for the same price as they charge to install a new 8GB..  BTW, hdd model# alone is enough to ban...  To my knowledge, there have only been 2 diff Seagates, and I dunno if there is more than 1 WD..  (In about 40-50 xboxes I've only ever come across one WD hdd..  Actually, I've never even seen an xbox with a Phillips DVD either..  95% have been Thomsons)

[RiceCake]

Uniquely identifiable data.

It's not scanning the HD because thats simply invasion of privacy.
Its probably just checking the xboxdash.xbe, then if its bad, take some uniquely unchangeable information not in the EEPROM and ban that.

Since I just connected to Live and recieved no dashboard update - I'd say it would be the HD serial number, keys, etc.