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atomiX

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« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2004, 08:59:00 AM »

QUOTE (maxpower2001 @ Dec 1 2004, 07:53 PM)
what version ind bios are you guys talking about.. i'm just curious.

well, IND-BIOS 5003 is the newest version out and it's the one i'm using. I don't think i'll go back to X2 bioses since i like IND-BIOS way better. haven't encountered a bug yet...
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« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2004, 11:05:00 PM »

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Vote with your wallets.
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« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2004, 08:01:00 PM »

So today they release the 2.6CE version... They have all the fucking time in the world to release a chip that they dont support yet, BUT they dont have time to release a bios for it...


WTF
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« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2004, 06:54:00 AM »

The way I see it, people with a 1.6 have 2 options:

1.  If you buy a 2.6, use the M8+.  What's the big deal in doing this?  It works!

2.  Buy an X3 or someone else's chip!  The X3 bios is very nice, but I totally understand Team Xecuter's position on this.  There is a perfectly good bios out there for the 2.6 that can be used if you want to put the 2.6 on your 1.6, but if I were Team Xecuter, I'd be leery of releasing another X2 compatible bios.

Let's look at it this way.  Currently in the 4th Gen market, there are a couple chip manufacturers who *always* carp on and on about the "legality" of their solution because it contains an operating system on the chip.  If it's linux based and they don't release the source then it's a violation of the GPL, but that's another discussion.  Regardless, there's a TON of back-patting for being a legal solution.  Users get all hyped up about this too.

Then, when they want to play a game or any of the Xbox apps, they boot up a hacked bios (EvoX, X2, Ind or whatever).

I mean sure, you have a "legal" OS on your chip, but it's not much more at the end of the day than a glorified bios loader for someone else's software.  In Team Xecuter's position I wouldn't be inclined to support them either.

But... Nobody expects these "legal OS" groups to provide their own bios to play Xbox game backups, or Avalaunch, XBMC, etc.  They all just carp on and on about Xecuter's support.

Yeah, I run an X3.  I've also put M8+ on a 2.6 installed on a 1.6 without any serious mental anquish.  I've also installed Xeniums that fire up the X2 bios.  Team Xecuter is doing a huge amount of work designing and bringing out improvements and add-ons to their premiere product, the X3, and I'm looking forward to the X3CP, future updates with new features to the X3 bios, etc.

So I tell you what: as soon as Xenium and SmartXX and the Spider-chip have their own bioses written by their own manufacturers (so you perfectionists in the scene can get a warm fuzzy over running a Xenium BIOS booted by the Xenium OS on a Xenium chip, etc) then I say it's fair to gripe over Xecuter's perceived lack of support of the 2.6.

Until then get a life.
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« Reply #49 on: December 14, 2004, 04:27:00 PM »

QUOTE (IvanK @ Dec 10 2004, 03:57 PM)
The way I see it, people with a 1.6 have 2 options:

1.  If you buy a 2.6, use the M8+.  What's the big deal in doing this?  It works!

2.  Buy an X3 or someone else's chip!  The X3 bios is very nice, but I totally understand Team Xecuter's position on this.  There is a perfectly good bios out there for the 2.6 that can be used if you want to put the 2.6 on your 1.6, but if I were Team Xecuter, I'd be leery of releasing another X2 compatible bios.

Let's look at it this way.  Currently in the 4th Gen market, there are a couple chip manufacturers who *always* carp on and on about the "legality" of their solution because it contains an operating system on the chip.  If it's linux based and they don't release the source then it's a violation of the GPL, but that's another discussion.  Regardless, there's a TON of back-patting for being a legal solution.  Users get all hyped up about this too.

Then, when they want to play a game or any of the Xbox apps, they boot up a hacked bios (EvoX, X2, Ind or whatever).

I mean sure, you have a "legal" OS on your chip, but it's not much more at the end of the day than a glorified bios loader for someone else's software.  In Team Xecuter's position I wouldn't be inclined to support them either.

But... Nobody expects these "legal OS" groups to provide their own bios to play Xbox game backups, or Avalaunch, XBMC, etc.  They all just carp on and on about Xecuter's support.

Yeah, I run an X3.  I've also put M8+ on a 2.6 installed on a 1.6 without any serious mental anquish.  I've also installed Xeniums that fire up the X2 bios.  Team Xecuter is doing a huge amount of work designing and bringing out improvements and add-ons to their premiere product, the X3, and I'm looking forward to the X3CP, future updates with new features to the X3 bios, etc.

So I tell you what: as soon as Xenium and SmartXX and the Spider-chip have their own bioses written by their own manufacturers (so you perfectionists in the scene can get a warm fuzzy over running a Xenium BIOS booted by the Xenium OS on a Xenium chip, etc) then I say it's fair to gripe over Xecuter's perceived lack of support of the 2.6.

Until then get a life.

The reason why I buy Xecuter products is because of the fact that they create bios's. If someone else was releasing bios's then I would be buying THEIR products. Thats how it works, you help the scene and you get the recognition that you deserve. Why release a product that you dont offer support for? I think it's totally unfair how the other chip makers force their customers to use other bios's that weren't designed by them. This is a disadvantage for xectuer because now you have non-xecuter chips running xecuter bios's. I also understand that they have alot of things going on right now, but that still doesn't excuse the fact that they've left their xecuter 2 users hanging for months now. Sure there's a bios out there that works, but I bought from xecuter with an understanding that their bios's would be kept up to date. Now I'm forced to use an xecuter chip with a non xecuter bios. A product that I support, which doesn't support me back. So what's the point? Why spend the extra money to get an xecuter chip when I can just buy one that works just as well for half the price?
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« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2004, 08:30:00 PM »

Yeah, I go with Xecuter because of their bioses as well.  In this case, I'm enjoying great support for the X3.  The 2.6, rightly or wrongly, only exists to be pinheader and d0 plug compatible with the X3, and therefore facilitate an upgrade.  It's kinda obvious, really.  That is not to say that it's not a solid chip.  I've installed a couple of these and they work great, even though I've had to use the M8+ bios for 1.6 boxes.  Is there anything wrong with this?  Hell no.  Team Xecuter is supporting the scene by providing a relatively low-cost, solid chip that may act as a vehice for whatever bios you'd care to install on it.

Now I don't buy the argument that Xecuter's selling you a chip with the implied promise of keeping the bios up to date.  As they've said repeatedly in this and their own forum, they sell you the chip and offer you the bios for free.  That's the business model of the modchip world, and it's a bit like hiring an escort - money exchanged is for time and company, and whatever else may happen cannot be negotiated for because it's NOT LEGAL to do so.  I think we're forgetting the illegal side of providing XDK based software, and as such no company or group or team would ever commit to providing "explicit" support to a chip they sold, because they're looking to cover their asses.

You may say that they're making implicit guarantees just by *being* Team Xecuter, but I think that's BS.  They give plenty to the scene, from donating $500 to getting DVD menus working in XBMC to providing goods and services that make xboxes more fun to tinker with and the scene more enjoyable in general.  They've spent a hell of a lot of money in R&D desigining not only their chips but also bolt-ons that help maximize the aesthetics and functionality of your xbox.

Also, the "BIOS/components must come from the same manufacturer" argument is specious at best.  Own a car?  Did the manufacturer engineer the stereo or did they have another company engineer it and incorporate it into their model.  If you upgrade that stereo, are you going to make sure that you only use an AC Delco head unit in your GM car?  In many cases you have entire models skinned to look like they're from another manufacturer.  Sure it's easy to dismiss something as minimal to the performance of your vehicle as a stereo system, but are you pissed off that the Ford Escape Hybrid is based off of licensed Toyota technology?

Old enough to remember when IBM released its own PC operating system to go with their hardware?  How *dare* they stop releasing OS/2!

Okay, enough kidding.  Here's the rub:  Xecuter *did* say there was an X2 bios they'd be releasing.  It was a stopgap measure to fix a problem that was hitting 1.6b boxes, but it's probably finished up, tested, stable and sitting on one of their team member's workstations.  Is it the wrong thing to do?  Who knows.  It doesn't really affect me personally, and despite the aggrieved posturing on this forum I hope that it doesn't affect the quality of your lives either.  Regardless, it's *their* decision when and if they want to release their bios.  Go ahead and vote with your wallets and go with an Aladdin (pretty much the only available chip at half the price of a 2.6); if from a business perspective it becomes more attractive to release an X2 bios, they'll do so.
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« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2004, 08:11:00 AM »

QUOTE (oswald @ Nov 6 2004, 11:00 PM)
He makes money off the chips, not the BIOS.  The BIOS he creates are basically out of the kindness of his heart for the scene, and to support new features in his chips.

The chips would be useless without a bios.  Without a bios people would not buy the chips.  The chip and bios work together.  The bios is a vital part of the chip without it the chip would be usless.

He indirectly makes money from the bios.  New bios = added support for new features from their chips = more people buying their chips.
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« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2004, 11:15:00 AM »

QUOTE (jeeproject @ Dec 15 2004, 05:14 PM)
The chips would be useless without a bios.  Without a bios people would not buy the chips.  The chip and bios work together.  The bios is a vital part of the chip without it the chip would be usless.

He indirectly makes money from the bios.  New bios = added support for new features from their chips = more people buying their chips.

How do Xodus and SmartXX and the makers of the Aladdin and Duo make money since they don't produce a bios?  Following your logic, why would anyone want to purchase their products?

And without the bios the chip is still quite useful if you want to run Linux.  Since the Cromwell bios (or a derivative) is the *only* legal bios that can be shipped with the chip, the chips are sold on a "this is your bios, we take no responsibility if you want to re-flash a different bios" basis.

Again, I'll use the car analogy.  Your 86 Buick originally came with a cheezy AC Delco radio with no tape deck, but you're perfectly free to throw in a CD player if you'd like.  Maybe AC Delco produces a CD player you can install, or maybe you'll have to try to fit  another manufacturer's stereo.  Either way, it's not GM's responsibility to make a CD deck for their vehicle if they don't see fit to allocate the resources to do so.
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« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2004, 11:38:00 AM »

QUOTE (IvanK)
How do Xodus and SmartXX and the makers of the Aladdin and Duo make money since they don't produce a bios?  Following your logic, why would anyone want to purchase their products?

They rely on others to produce a bios that can be used on their chips.  Many people don't buy Xodus and SmartsXX chip specifically for that reason.

QUOTE (IvanK)
And without the bios the chip is still quite useful if you want to run Linux.
 You are right, only for linux.  Sure running linux on the xbox is a nice feature but is not all that practical.  Because of that without a bios the sales of the chips would be almost be nonexisistant.
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« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2004, 12:47:00 PM »

QUOTE (jeeproject @ Dec 15 2004, 08:41 PM)
You are right, only for linux.  Sure running linux on the xbox is a nice feature but is not all that practical.  Because of that without a bios the sales of the chips would be almost be nonexisistant.

Federal government please ignore the preceding post.

The only reason modchips have any sense of legitimacy in the scene is because all of us users modded their xboxes solely to run Linux.

Yup.  Move along.  Nothing to see here.
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« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2004, 04:58:00 PM »

QUOTE (IvanK @ Dec 15 2004, 09:50 PM)
Federal government please ignore the preceding post.

The only reason modchips have any sense of legitimacy in the scene is because all of us users modded their xboxes solely to run Linux.

Yup.  Move along.  Nothing to see here.

 rotfl.gif Now that I will agree with
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« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2004, 08:03:00 AM »

Not really.

I would love to have an Xecuter bios for my 1.6 (I fear change and I have ALLWAYS used there bios's in the past)

But my 1.6 with M8 is working fine for now, as soon as an xecuter bios comes out it will be changed though

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« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2004, 08:24:00 PM »

Well here it is the week before christmas, and as many are finishing up the final mods to the xboxs that are inevitably going under them tree's.

I have to say that team xecuter has done a great job recovering on the support for the 2.6 model chips.

Yes, they are not the X3. Yes they now work flawlessly on all but the toughtest mod jobs in all versions of xbox.

Pay a visit to team xecuter's page( http://www.teamxecut...php?name=Forums ) and you will see all the effort that has gone into supporting this chip.
I have installed several of these in version 1.0-1.4, havent had to do a 1.6 yet but I am sure when the day comes, I will use this chip as well.
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« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2004, 04:24:00 PM »

quote from Xecuter "we are also very much looking forward to our next X2 256k bios"

http://www.teamxecut...ewtopic&t=26414
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« Reply #59 on: December 22, 2004, 02:07:00 PM »

QUOTE(dcmad @ Dec 20 2004, 01:25 AM)
i dont know what u been smoking smokingmod but there isn't a perfect working bios for the 1.6b xbox yet and there wont be one before xmas the way things r looking, the bios for the 1.6a (m8plusv16) has to be flashed to both banks in a lot of cases for the chip to work at all and then its laggy in game and film play and takes forever to load, i chip alot of xbox's and there a definate change in the dvd drives behavior in a 1.6b with that bios....
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