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crashnet2000

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« on: September 03, 2003, 04:15:00 AM »

SHU.. UP  AND ACCEPT THE RELEASES AS THEY ARE ! IF NOT DONT USE THEM !

IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT !
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jz28

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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2003, 05:24:00 AM »

I agree with you Duggy. I think we have some very talented coders out there, so I can't criticize them, but I myself see no need for the ftp. Its a very cool proof of concept though.
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2003, 06:18:00 AM »

If you happen to have problems with your dashboard configuration, i. e. your dashboards locks up when configured wrong, this instant ftp server sure comes in handy... rolleyes.gif

When all is up and running, you can always use another, (much) smaller bios.
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jz28

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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2003, 06:20:00 AM »

QUOTE (Gudihl @ Sep 3 2003, 10:18 AM)
If you happen to have problems with your dashboard configuration, i. e. your dashboards locks up when configured wrong, this instant ftp server sure comes in handy... rolleyes.gif

When all is up and running, you can always use another, (much) smaller bios.

I guess thats a good point, but you can always boot from cdrw to fix your dashboard problem.

I think any serious xbox modder has a disc nearby that they can use for an emergency. And this is much easier and faster to do if the pc is in another part of the house, or they dont use the pc much/at all.

Personally I have both readily available in the event of a catastrophe. Never can have too many backups.
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WiKKiD

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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2003, 08:10:00 AM »

If you don't need the embedded ftp, you don't really need to use the newest bios. So I don't really see what you're having a problem with.
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jz28

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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2003, 08:15:00 AM »

QUOTE (WiKKiD @ Sep 3 2003, 12:10 PM)
If you don't need the embedded ftp, you don't really need to use the newest bios. So I don't really see what you're having a problem with.

just folks sharing opinions man, thats all.

Its hard to do that here now a days.
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WiKKiD

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2003, 08:22:00 AM »

That was my opinion, and in no way meant as a flame. I'm just saying that the newer bios has nothing the older one doesn't, other than said ftpd. So if you don't need the ftpd it's not like you're being left in the dust, it's just one of many (i'm sure) ideas that's been implemented into the bios.

Don't take it as a flame that I'm pointing this out, as it's not meant that way. Just a clear and simple fact, if the latest version of any given software only offers features you're not interested in, you need not complain, as the previous version should suit you well. smile.gif
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2003, 08:50:00 AM »

QUOTE (jz28 @ Sep 3 2003, 02:20 PM)
QUOTE (Gudihl @ Sep 3 2003, 10:18 AM)
If you happen to have problems with your dashboard configuration, i. e. your dashboards locks up when configured wrong, this instant ftp server sure comes in handy... rolleyes.gif

When all is up and running, you can always use another, (much) smaller bios.

I guess thats a good point, but you can always boot from cdrw to fix your dashboard problem.

I think any serious xbox modder has a disc nearby that they can use for an emergency. And this is much easier and faster to do if the pc is in another part of the house, or they dont use the pc much/at all.

Personally I have both readily available in the event of a catastrophe. Never can have too many backups.

This is EXACTLY what I have.

I have a "recovery" DVD-R that I use to get the xbox back into shape when things go wrong. Its saved my bacon on a few occasions. The first was when my kids updated the dash and overwrote the default dash with the updated live dash ;-)

I now rename the dash as the bios supports i.e. evoxdash.xbe etc and no longer overwrite the msdash.  
Its handy to have the DVD-R as its just like a DOS recovery disc and I know i can repair damage with it. Its also got a copy of boxplorer on there so I can peruse the HD to inspect the damage without changing anything. Its something I think everyone should have handy, But i better stop as not I'm going off topic ;-)
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WiKKiD

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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2003, 08:56:00 AM »

Well, I do understand what you mean, but I failed to fully express my point.

I'm far from an x2 fanboi. Frankly I think Uber is a dick, and always has been a dick in any contact I've had with him. Aside from that, you have to respect what the x2 team has contributed to the scene.

That being noted. The current bios, including the ftp.. The only updated feature on said bios, is the ftpd. So I am guessing, that x2 will show the scene support they have since day 1, and when there are other features aside from the ftpd embedded into the bios, if they could fit into a 256k bios would be done, sans the ftpd. So you'd end up with x2_4999_FTPD.bin(512k+) AND x2_4999_NOFTPD.bin(256k). Again, this is a guess, but it's based on the example of support the x2 team has displayed to date. And again, this assumes additional features will fit in the existing 256k space available to them.

Currently, however. There is no reason to have 2 releases of the current bios, one with ftpd and one without, because the only difference between this version and the previous stable release is that said ftpd. To release a version of this build sans ftpd, would just be cloning the previous stable build.

My opinions aren't based on fact, more assumption. But it seems to make sense to me based on the previous support the x2 team has given the scene.
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2003, 09:04:00 AM »

I have the same thing.  It's essentially an EvoX disc with the Install HD menu item, disk.bin, Flash BIOS menu item, a boatload of BIOS hashes and flash types, and all the files from each MS Dash release.  It's also got boXplorer, ConfigMagic, and a couple other items.

It's burned on DVD-R and boots in every Xbox drive I've worked on.  VERY handy item and I use it quite frequently.
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WiKKiD

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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2003, 09:08:00 AM »

Oh and just for the record, I also have the essential burned emergency disk. Somehwat of a self coded slayer's. Highly reccommended, especially considering the most common time it's used is when there's a hd install taking place, and the hdd in the xbox is unformatted. FTPD kinda useless on an unformatted drive.
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jz28

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2003, 09:28:00 AM »

I agree with what duggy was saying. It seems like that if someone is going to take the time to release a "new" bios, why not release the feature we all need, and is available, instead of releasing a feature that is a nice "bonus" for gee whiz factor instead of overall usability.

No hard feelings at all WiKKiD.
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2003, 12:24:00 AM »

XBE's get bloated by the linked .lib files. Even if the FTPD code is 15k, the resulting XBE will still be 200+k due to the needed .lib files for xbox network handling and stuff...
A windows ftpd with 15k size wouldn't work with a tcp stack and whole networking environment... what would happen if you link all the windows tcp/ip libs to that 15k windows ftpd? It would no longer be 15k ... A windows "kernel" has all the tcp/ip stuff needed "included", an xbox kernel doesn't, that's the reason why you have to link all code to the XBE files (and therefore the reason why they are that big)...

just my 2 cents...

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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2003, 12:32:00 AM »

QUOTE (madcake @ Sep 4 2003, 08:24 AM)
XBE's get bloated by the linked .lib files. Even if the FTPD code is 15k, the resulting XBE will still be 200+k due to the needed .lib files for xbox network handling and stuff...
A windows ftpd with 15k size wouldn't work with a tcp stack and whole networking environment... what would happen if you link all the windows tcp/ip libs to that 15k windows ftpd? It would no longer be 15k ... A windows "kernel" has all the tcp/ip stuff needed "included", an xbox kernel doesn't, that's the reason why you have to link all code to the XBE files (and therefore the reason why they are that big)...

just my 2 cents...

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@madcake

Dont you get access to the networking stack out of the box with an xbox?. What I mean is aren't the libs already available via kernal exports on the xbox?. Just like the directx api is there as its included in the kernal.

I'm happy to be corrected if i'm wrong but I thought you get something on the box already which is akin to the dx8; which is why you have to code to dx8 standards as thats whats there in the box.  Ofcourse I might be completely wrong ;-)

If it IS the statically linked libs that bloat up the ftp deamon then I do indeed stand corrected.
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madcake

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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2003, 12:56:00 AM »

There are no network api kernel exports, it's (unfortunately) all done by the xbox sdk libs ...
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