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[BillyTheKidd]

QUOTE(lordvader129 @ Dec 20 2004, 06:32 AM)

so you cant TSOP flash a 1.6, i just install a 10 dollar modchip

[BillyTheKidd]

QUOTE(Exobex @ Dec 23 2004, 03:35 AM)

Softmod = Hare

[JohnnyHunng]

BillyTheKidd, are u a jackass or u just got here? I mean are u new? "there's no $10 modchip that works on a 1.6, cheapest is the piece of shit of a Spider chip"...Sit ur monkey ass down and let the real modders/grown folks handle this, don't get involved...Idiot...And no i don't i don't have to name what is what, there are more than a few of them, u do YOUR homework...Ass.

Also get ur dumbass softmod faggetry outta my forum, we all know what does what to which folders and such....  and yes TSOP Flashing is my F'n forum....(before u ask)

Oh, and of course, lordvaders, acemilo, terrorvis, otherguy, etc....EVERYBODY's: cept you.

[lordvader129]

QUOTE(BillyTheKidd @ Dec 22 2004, 09:37 PM)

there is NO $10 modchip that works on a 1.6

[JohnnyHunng]

Basically....

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(BillyTheKidd @ Dec 23 2004, 04:37 AM)

there is NO $10 modchip that works on a 1.6

[Nosf3ratu]

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plus I'm not that great at soldering

And you TSOP mod?  Sounds a little screwy. How can you TSOP mod over "120" Xboxes and not be able to solder good?

[Pizza Pizz]

To be fair the soft mod has come a long way and I have started to stop slagging it off so much as I have in the past:

http://forums.xbox-s...234&p=1901948

Wasn't this UXE tested on some of them auto ms dash-update films like Hulk & Star Wars and found to still work ok - must confess I haven't throw that much at my softy 1.6 crystal but started up fine after 3 weeks or so unplugged - no time date loop like before

Bit silly to imply that soft-mod is the bees-knees in a tsop forum but a worthy consideration to anyone with a 1.6 that won't look to upgrade their H/D's from the standard locked H/D and was gonna use their 1.6 just to play games from disc, run emu's and use as a dvd/divx media centre player

Not that I'm into modding for business - I still do it for myself mainly as "fun" but if I was doing these soft/tsop/mod option......

£10 for a softy 1.6
£20/25 for a tsop/split tsop 50/50
£45/55 for a mod/1.6 lpc rebuild mod using DuoX or similar good value chips

I just flogged my modded 1.6 for a good price and only got one 1.6 - yippee

Nah TSOP will always be my favourite choice, why buy a chip if you ain't going LIVE when best chip is already fitted to mobo
Softy's are good and clever but if I was gonna open up the xbox to fit a bigger H/D - as I said in the past whilst the lid is off I may as well shove a mod in there or tsop if applicable

Do think some of the peeps should try this UXE out with Ltools 18 and have a look at how much better the exploits have got.
I had a go and if I fucked it up I was gonna mod the 1.6 anyway and was really surprised

Think the Slayer SIN got slated a bit but I would point out that perhaps the soft-mod has evolved a bit more into a possible cheap/quick solution for some peeps - but then I was never afraid of hotswapping H/D's if dashboards went tits up on my "proper" modded xbox's

[Pizza Pizz]

Ahem - to clarify a few things......

I would only bother soft-modding a 1.6 with standard H/D

if fitting a bigger H/D then I still would fit a duox 2 in the 1.6

any earlier version that came to me I would almost deffo tsop it - a soft-mod doesn't come close to a tsop with a wide choice of proper bios and LBA support & the ability to swap unlocked H/D's in seconds
(As I said earlier if you open the xbox to fit a H/D then you may as well tsop/mod it and then not a problem if the newer H/d's you buy can be locked or not - ps is it me or do more & more H/D's recently seem to be unlockable ??)

Soft-modding will never take over from tsop on older xbox mobo's but perhaps a possible quick fix alternative for some peeps and their standard 1.6's ?

I could only see myself charging £10 for this though at the most, I mean it's fully automated to do the basic xploit - no pc or ftp-ing needed like before
Then just throw on a few apps n bits from slayer or such like - still with no pc hook-up

About say 10 or 15 mins work time you put all the stuff on there n tested it

A TSOP would take around twice that - 20/30 mins - don't take long to rip the case off and if 256kb tsop then mobo can stay in place - the flash process using evox or eurasia is automated and quick, and drop the bits n bobs on

A mod may take 30 to 40 mins on more fancy chips like Xecuter 2.6 with poxy lights n switches ya don't need so much

Please note these are completed times with all bits n bobs on there and allowing a quick go - ergh test on the finished xbox etc.....
I don't care if my m8 can mod a homebrew in 5 mins time - I'm just showing the difference in the 3 methods, work involved and time it takes on average

It's not the perfect solution but in some cases it could come in handy - you know the peeps that think:

"Don't wanna get my xbox opened up until the warranty runs out"

or if you ran out of mods this christmas and little nephew wants his xbox done asap

or another thing about a softmod and not ripping the lid off - you can't get a whingey muppet trying it on saying my dvd drive read discs better before the mod - my m8 is thinking did you change/swap drives.....

"No I fucking didn't you cheeky fucking git the 605F never reads cdr's well - you did not have a 605B in that Sept 2004 1.6 xbox but a Toshiba-Samsung 605F, tell your m8 he's a twat that knows fuck all about xbox's"

ah well Merry Christmas - what ever methods you use

[Trevante]

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a soft-mod doesn't come close to a tsop with a wide choice of proper bios and LBA support & the ability to swap unlocked H/D's in seconds

Yes it does, all you have to do is make your bios bfm. If you have a 1.6, then you can choose between Nkpatcher, or the PBL metoo M8 package (upgrade M8 bios). As far as swapping HDD's, yes a chipped/tsop'd Xbox is easier to upgrade a HDD on, but unless you're in an extreme rush, it's not that hard or slow to upgrade the HDD on a softmod. It only takes a few minutes for me to rebuild and lock the drive when I upgrade the HDD's in a softmodded Xbox.

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ps is it me or do more & more H/D's recently seem to be unlockable

I don't know, but I never have trouble finding lockable HDD's. Most Maxtor's and WD's are lockable, and the few Hitachi's I've seen are also lockable.

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I could only see myself charging £10 for this though at the most, I mean it's fully automated to do the basic xploit - no pc or ftp-ing needed like before

Personally, I do all my softmods manually. I don't like autoinstallers, because they usually don't have the latest, up to date versions of their software (especially slayers), and if for some reason I have trouble getting the softmod to work, I can go back and look at what's wrong myself. Besides, I think a PC and FTP should be considered necessary.... what good is that eeprom backup if it's sitting on your locked Xbox harddrive?

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Then just throw on a few apps n bits from slayer or such like - still with no pc hook-up

I don't like to use slayers because it doesn't come with the most up to date software.   (XBMC, Avalaunch, some emu's etc.)

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when the new version is distributed anyone who goes on Live or hits Live in a new game will get the update, then no more UXE

Live can't permanently disable your softmod, it' might erase it at the most. If you're smart and have a backup of you eeprom (like all modders should), then it's an easy fix.

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dashupdate.xbe comes along and steamrollers over the softmods.

And why would you go on Live with a modded Xbox? If you're smart and stay away from Live, you won't need to worry about it updating your dash. Also, if the dashupdate requires the official font files, then it won't even be able to update your dashboard.

While I do agree that tsop's and modchips are generally more safe from whatever updates MS might pull on you, that doesn't mean softmods are absolute garbage or shouldn't be trusted. Considering how easy it is to install a softmod and how easy it is to recover from it, the only reason I see to pick a chip or tsop over a softmod is if you already have the tools to do so, or if the person you're installing for wants a chip. Personally, I was going to get a modchip, but when I saw how simple it was to install a softmod, and how easy it was to recover, I didn't see any reason to spend $50-$60 on a modchip. Yes I could have gotten a $10 alladin, but I don't trust cheap modchips. Also, I've seen some posts on this forum where people have problems caused by their chip (like UnleashX not saving anything on X3 boxes, users who got a "you are banned from XBL" message with the Xeniums, people not having sound and/or video after chipping their xboxes, etc.). Not saying these problems are commonplace or anything, but it's nice to know I don't have to worry about all that.

[Trevante]

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OK here we go with a classic example of why mod/tsop is still far better.....

You upgrade/enhance/improve someone's xbox - they say at the time - nope don't need or want a bigger h/d and you ship the xbox back to them
3 months later they realise they do want a bigger h/d in there - hmmm softmod - well you can write a tutorial for them or in my case I can send them a lame slayer/evox installer for them to partition their xbox h/d
if softmod they will probably be looking at returning the xbox to you - if they like paying shipping costs both ways
Mod / tsop owners get a little insight into their own xbox and save on time n shipping prices - they back up any saves n stuff themselves on their pc from old h/d and restore it all later onto new big h/d

Yes, I can see how a TSOP/Mod is better if the person is far away. All the installs I've done have been local ones, which is why it isn't a big deal to me.. to each his own. Although I still don't think it's that hard for someone to upgrade the HDD by themselves, I could easily tell someone how to do it over the phone or AIM (I've done it on AIM before for a member of a different forum, and it worked out just fine.).

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My 1.0 tsop xbox hasn't had it's lid on in over 2 years coz I'm always swapping h/d's over in seconds - ooh did I say unlocked h/d's - another thing the softy can't do

Well, I don't know why you'd need to swap HDD's on the same Xbox over and over again, but whatever works I guess. Even if I had a TSOP'd Xbox, I don't think I'd ever switch the HDD more than once. Even still, it only takes a minute or two to unlock or relock the HDD with XboxHDM.

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Assuming they also have an original game to hand but lets take these hyperthetical examples a stage further - little Jimmy's m8 said nah you wanna try slayer 2.6 - reformat/rebuild h/d option - oooh fuck what's happened to my softmodded xbox..... - not a prob for tsop/mod peeps

This isn't a big deal. If you use UXE combined with Nkpatcher9, then you don't have to worry about your C drive at all, because it creates an image of your C drive and mounts that as the C drive. This allows you to fuck up the C drive image as much as you want without actually touching the real C drive.

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uhm if you have an earlier xbox then a TSOP is nigh on in effect a mod that is permanently on - if you wanna a switched mod and you have a 1mb bios then next time try a split tsop

I have a 1.6......

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But a mod or tsop where available is still far better than a softmod

Agreed.