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[guitardork864]

umm...jimmsta that would defeat the purpose of getting WINDOWS to run on the xbox.  we dont need gentoox w/ cedega running.  That already works

[Pyro0623]

I was browsing the thread, and had an idea, Whould it be possible to take the linux kernel, Stip away all the stuff that makes it an os, hard code it so it runs windows call functions natively and make sort-of a bootloader out of it? Then work out your PCI and RAM bugs from there?

Just a thought

Let me Know

P.S. Im not a proficient coder or anything, but i have a General idea of What linux and windows do "behind the scenes" if you will, and that the XB dashboard is just a Gutted Ver. of Win 2K, but if im coming across as a complete idiot, fell free to Educate me a little.

[betaluva]

its been done allready,its called react-os.

[Shadow7789]

React OS has a linux base, that is what this project is trying to get away from.  They want to get a standard Windows version running smoothly.  React OS will never be able to emulate windows as fast as it should be able to.  I don't know about you, but I am interested in DirectX Accelerated games, something that react os is probabbly far from offering.  Besides, who dosen't like the user friendly windows gui?  Most people who don't know linux would probably use windows.

[Scan-C]

emulating windows in any way (like reactos does) isn't what we want. the xbox isn't powerful enough to do any kind of windows emulation so we need it native.

btw i need some help on the xpe kernel. some time ago i found a commented disassembly of it but i can't find it now. if anyone has it drop me a line.

[Flame2k]

get a site up asap, u need one lol.

nice work, i'll be following this thread. If u need any testing i'll be glad to help.
Dont have time to actually work on the project, and im not that great at coding anyway.  but good luck guys, keep up with the good work.

please include opengl and direct 3d support...

[betaluva]

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[corp769]

hey pplz i was browsing the web in search of any ways to have windows run on the xbox, and i found this thread. sounds very interesting, good luck, and also, just to let ya guys know, i am a very experienced programmer with the win32 environment. if ya need any help, just let me know. put it this way........i know 25 different programming languages, including assembly language, if that helps any...

keep me posted on progress too, i really like this.

p.s.-if u need a programmer for the site or anything, just tell me, ill gladly help out cause i have nothing to do anymore wheni get online.

[h8raid]

@corp769, thank you for your interest and offer to help out.  I am glad you decided to drop us a line because we need more programmers, drop Scan-C a line and see what he needs help with on the project and tell him what your specific experience is in.

[betaluva]

windowsxp embedded bootable cd,i just downloaded a tutorial on how to create one,if anyone wants it pm me.

[klik]

Just had a look at ntldr. It has a lot of calls to BIOS through int 10 and int 13. But I think Windows itself does not make any calls to BIOS. Is it possible to load Windows kenerl directly without using ntldr?

[jimmsta]

Ah... ok... so you want to actuallly load the Windows NT kernel onto the xbox, right?

You've got a few problems with that idea...

Firstly, the xbox bios, no matter what version you use, only supports ONE Process. Windows's kernel uses more than one process. The xbox DOES support multiple threads, so essentially, if you wanted to, you could emulate processes under new threads, but it wouldn't be efficient.

Essentially, this project has got to start at the BIOS level. You'll need to create a bios that emulates a PC's bios, and sends calls to irq's and dma channels through a software layer... Sorta like how VMWare works... This bios could be used as a soft-mod, allowing for windows to be loaded up on the xbox, without any massive hacking of the Windows NT kernel.

This also poses a new challenge -- create a free, legal, multi-process xbox BIOS.

I believe it IS possible, but will take a long time, and might not be worth it in the long run.

Either way, I will be here to help.. I'm good at solving hardware/software problems....

[djdafreund]

QUOTE (jimmsta @ Nov 11 2004, 08:42 PM)

This also poses a new challenge -- create a free, legal, multi-process xbox BIOS. I believe it IS possible, but will take a long time, and might not be worth it in the long run. Either way, I will be here to help.. I'm good at solving hardware/software problems....

I completely dissagree with you on the free,legal bios. Although it WOULD be very nice to be legal, if it means possible to make it works by not being legal, the majority of the xbox users (i dare say you dissagree with that statement) are not exactly running a legal bios on there machines now as it is. I don't know, maybe i just read too much into your post.
Just basically saying, don't stop the excellent continuing movement of getting Windows to run on the xbox because of worrying about having a illegal bios used, when the majority are doing that now with no concerns. THEN try to migrate over later to a legal version (Using a better legal xbk by then then it is now) after everything is all working. I would love to have it be a legal BIOS, but not thinking thats a number 1 concern.

PS- I don't use linux because of so many hours/years on windows based, i just kinda had a hard time with making the switch, and having to compile everything. I guess i'm spoiled with unzip/unraring files and just run them. Heheh, so i've very interested and excited to see this take off. And really respect and appreciate the hell out of you guys for going that extra mile to try to finally make this actually happen.  

[betaluva]

well guys,any updates or progress?

[Flame2k]

ive asked the amazing people who make the softmod hacks for the xbox over in the xbe exploits forum. If we could get them on the side i think that this project will be a sucess.