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[a94060]

i hav an idea

i was reading on this site http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~ranma1/mac_install.html and it was telling how to install mac os on the xbox. How about some one makes a i386,x86 emulator so that we could install windows like the way that it was done there. Does this sound like an idea?

[Shadow7789]

@Thecrazy, you should get a forum working on our web page.  Then, we can have Scan-C and Hiraid8 back.  Just host what you have, and put a forum up too.

[betaluva]

i agree, if we can get a site up and running we can kiss x-s goodbye and get on with our core project.

[turrican8888]

QUOTE(turrican8888 @ Feb 8 2005, 03:14 AM)

About bochs:
WTF? ROTFL! OMG, FFS, STFU
If you want a x86 emulator that doesn't suck, try http://www.qemu.org
It's kinda, errm... SIXTY FIVE TIMES FASTER than bochs. That may mean a Pentium Pro 200 instead of a i386 16MHz
You can only run it under XBOX Linux though. It can run DOS, WINDOWS, Linux, Darwin, BSD, BeOS, whatever you throw at it. 
I'm been thinking about compiling a small gentoox linux kernel and a ramdisk, cutting all the fat, just to boot this beauty. With a linux kernel patch provided on that website it runs even faster.

I'm working on this and I have already an half-assed patched xromwell binary that allows a faster boot ( bypasses the DVD initalization and menu and reduces some delays inside the code. There are some other hacks that I dont remember now)
Next is the kernel and a customized initrd.gz.
I'm thinking about f:\qemu (or e:\qemu) containing the patched xromwell.xbe, the vmlinuz initrd.gz,linuxboot.cfg  the qemu binaries and HD images, from which qemu would boot. Xromwell loads linuxboot.cfg from the current directory.
The kernel only has the essential stuff: sound, video, fatx, usb, framebuffer. Network is a module, as are some other stuff inside initrd. That thing would call then busybox, mount drive e and f, add /mnt/fatx/f/qemu to PATH, and run a customizable script on f:\qemu, that would contain a call to the emulator with the command line.
The OS images can confortably generated on a PC and then ftp'ed to the box.

This thing can be generic for any program. A customized linux booting just what a  guy wants, without the fat, avoids the (No Download/Built with XDK) crap that I'm tired of seeing, and avoids porting nightmares.
I wonder if Quake3Arena runs on the box under XWindows Is OpenGL accelerated in Xbox-Linux ?

I wrote this in less than 3 minutes at 6am, so it may all sound like crap, but I'll post here if I make some progress.  Don't hold your breath though  

[total_ass]

excellent.

i have been wanting to run half-life in cedega under linux, but these damn distributions are 2-4 gigs in size.

a stripped down linux is just what i could use.

[Shadow7789]

We need a temporary forum until our webpage is up.   Any ideas?

[LESTAT]

turrican

thats a nice idea. but keep in mind 90% of the xbox owners only have 64 megs of ram, but others like myself have the 128meg box. Windows may run, although sluggishly from the 64 megs of ram but will run faster with the 128megs.
But the real kicker and those thinking that games are gunna run need to listen up.
Its just not gunna happen people. be realistic!. Think of windows 98 on a machine with 64 megs of ram... it runs like crap and you cant run anything but ancient old old games. People with the 128 meg mod would be able to run the emulator with windows 98 at a fairly good speed but again running games would be nearly impossible.

I dont see where you guys think that your gunna run games on the xbox when it only has 64 megs of ram. Its just not gunna happen.

Go run Quake 3 arena on ANY machine with 64 megs of ram.. guess what.. its not gunna happen. Next try that on the xbox where there is only 64 megs of Video ram AND System ram TOTAL.

to create a stripped linux so you can run windows in an emu is a fine idea but realise that linux already runs like snot with 64 megs of ram.  so your basically back to square one with a stripped version running an emu running windows. infact, your worse off simple cuz there isnt enough ram.  even the 128 megs would probably run horribly slow.

The only games that will ever run will be old small games. nothing within the last 5 years will run at a playable speed.
that being said.

What about creating a stripped down linux without all the crap that gentoox has,, just sound video networking, file browser, web browser and thats about it. I was surprised when i first installed GentooX to see that it had all the worthless crap installed. why ? its not needed its not used and we should be given the choice of installing it or not.
or
why make it all be contained in one image, that was a nice idea but reality shows that when you cram it into 1 location like that it runs horribly slow.  make images that are mountable, a usr folder a root folder and a few others instead of one chunck file that linux has to dig thru to make stuff run.

I dont know,, if you can get linux to run at least windows 98 at a good speed with a 128 meg box then we are one step closer, but still we are avoiding the entire goal here.  Making the xbox run windows all on its own. no emulators or anything.

[a94060]

I made a forum for this cause u guys said u needed a forum. it is located a t

http://wbox.conforums3.com/

thats the forum. pm me if u want the name and pass for editing it.

[betaluva]

THANKYOU A94060!, our own site atlast.

[Shadow7789]

Well, it's official, our forums have moved to http://wbox.conforums3.com/.

This thread is officially closed.

Shadow7789...Over and Out.

(I always wanted to say that)

[a94060]

a new shorter url 2 the site will be www.wbox.tk

[Xbox2005]

Windows 98 runs fine on my celeron 500 mhz pc with 64mb ram and 4mb video.Its enough for web surfing and games like age of empires 2.So 64mb is quite sufficient.

[turrican8888]

QUOTE(LESTAT @ Feb 10 2005, 01:22 PM)

turrican

thats a nice idea. but keep in mind 90% of the xbox owners only have 64 megs of ram, but others like myself have the 128meg box...

Please take a look at my reply here:
http://wbox.conforum...&num=1108089452

[LESTAT]

QUOTE(Xbox2005 @ Feb 11 2005, 12:33 AM)

Windows 98 runs fine on my celeron 500 mhz pc with 64mb ram and 4mb video.Its enough for web surfing and games like age of empires 2.So 64mb is quite sufficient.

you dont run age of empire 2 with 4 megs of video and 64 megs of ram and make the game run very good. nah it runs like crap i bet.  thats just a guess.


you have to think with your brains gentlemen.

64 megs of ram... ok take 10-20megs if not more for the linux kernel and the emulator..... then add in another 16-24 megs or realistically more ram that windows is going to require for its self.... then try to run a game... guess what,, your all out of ram gentlemen then game more than likely isnt going to run.
then you have to find a game that will actually see the xbox gforce 3 video chipset and know what it is...  what games will look at the video chip and know what it is ?  none,, they will either accept it or say you cant run it cuz you dont have a compliant video card.

[big_xbox_n00bie]

PFFFT i love those crap boards...

If you want some REAL phpbb boards try thiis

http://www.celtix.net/

^ Great boards, ive got some spare ones setup but that will be alot faster to use

Im a good admin for them, so if you need any help just ask

-BxN